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To wonder what’s happened to my relationship with DM.

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Chuggington2 · 30/09/2020 14:15

Sorry it's long!

I need some help unpicking this, I don’t understand and I have suspicion the behaviour/relationship breakdown probably has a name but I can’t find anything that sounds sensible and consequently feel at a dead end with trying to understand or solve it.

Background – come from a nice family. Always very close to both DM and DF growing up and despite me being a typical teenager that continued. Up until several years ago DM and I socialised together and had some amazing mini breaks just the two of us over the years.

Fast f to 2016 and started IVF and several years of TTC and losses.

DM became what can only be described as very possessive around it. For those who aren’t familiar when you are in throes you have about 2-4 wks. where you’re back and forth for scans/blood tests every couple of days, these for me were all v earl pre wk. and as you can imagine v stressful. DM got very demanding that she be updated on everyone. I would get a text the night before along lines ‘what time tomorrow? Make sure you call me as soon as you get out’ I duly did this but soon started to feel even worse after speaking and realised all she was doing was extracting the info, she gave me no comfort and if I voiced I was worried after a scan I got the whole stop being negative and bringing her down, ‘well I’m staying positive spiel’ Sometimes the appointments over ran and I’d been in talking to the consultant with my phone vibrating in my bag as she’d decided she’d waited long enough. This happened through two cycles and started to make me v anxious.

DH stepped in a just had a gentle word. The next time we saw her was at a family meal where she brought up what DH had said got very tearful and said all she needed know was that I was ok. Well obviously, but there are ways and means, she didn’t seem to want to know or care that how she was going about it was incredibly stressful for me at a time when I shouldn’t be having undue stress.

This continued in various forms to the point where when I did the frozen transfer that brought me my wonderful DC, I didn’t tell her or anyone for that matter that I was doing it. And for the first 8 wks., I felt terrible but knew it’s what I needed to do.

Throughout the pg she was sometimes very stand offish, I was very sick and exhausted for the first 18 wks. but she was not how I expected her to be. I assumed that I was (maybe rightly) being punished for not telling her.

After this I will bullet point some of the standout things which have happened/keep happening.

Around 16 weeks told me she’d spoken to my God Mother who’d ask after me, DM said she didn’t know ‘well I didn’t know what to tell her as I’ve not seen you’ this was patently untrue. DH was working away for much of that period and I went round for dinner at least 5 times that I can remember in quick succession. Much more than I would normally do. She then said ‘you don’t need to do this all on your own’ I literally had no idea what she was on about still do not. I spent most of my time asleep or trying not fall asleep or be sick?!?

I had a v difficult birth, lost a lot blood, nearly had to have a hysterectomy, was in theatre for over 2 hrs. Ended up on Mat HDU for 48hrs. In hosp for a wk. DM did not ask how I was feeling/doing for 10 days all I got were texts demanding pics of DC.

On 3rd day in hosp they came to visit again in the eve. I was struggling to get food as I'm GF so DH asked them to stop at Marks (it’s on way), apparently it was v busy took them ages (we weren’t to have known) and they were both clearly cross with us for having asked, she practically threw the sandwich down at me when they arrived. And made me feel like an inconvenience.

After the above they aid they were going to leave us to it whilst in hosp and come visit with my DBs when I was home. Ok but just someone to come and sit with me, relieve DH, bring me a hot drink at least one day would have been nice.

Whilst I was still poorly in hospital, she arranged a head wetting party and invited in-laws and my godparents – very expensive champagne and food. Did not invite DH or even take him round some of the food. Sent us pictures telling us what a great eve it was. That night I’d been crying and sweating struggling to feed DC on my own and hadn’t eaten or drank for hrs. In laws were mortified and had been under impression it was just supper.

The day DH went back to work after pat leave, he asked DM if she would come round and just look after us. I suggested we could take DC to local caf and have lunch. Ended up having a disastrous morn (puke/crap/repeat). DM arrived, 1stly asked why I wasn’t dressed, then gave me a bollocking about not loading dishwasher. I felt so ashamed I spent half an hr trying to load it 3 wks. aft a section. There was then no time for lunch. DM said tartly said ‘well I thought that was a long shot I’ve brought mine’ produced an M&S meal deal from her bag complete with cake and proceeded to eat in front of me. She never even offered to make me a drink let alone phone ahead to see if we needed any food picking up.

Never once offered to do anything, brought me anything round, make me a drink etc. in that post-partum recovery period.

Any time I said I ‘d had a bad day with DH or tried to tell her how I was feeling she would shut me down and would just say airily ‘well you wouldn’t have it any other way though would you’ and proceed to tell me her news. It became her stock phrase.

Totally misunderstood arrangements for her to come round one afternoon when DC was about 5 months old. Turned up when I was out. I didn’t have my phone on as I was at baby yoga. Came out to furious messages demanding to know where I was, she came round later, I was feeding a sleepy DC and she proceeded to stand there raging at me for not having my phone etc. when I asked her not to speak like that and pointed out her mistake she started crying and said how I was being horrible (?!). I’ve never been so bemused; I was sat breastfeeding my child and she gotten completely the wrong end of the stick re timings.

Speaks to me like I’m 19, and was so rude to me at a family party when DC was a few months old. All women and all mothers chatting but she kept trying to exclude me from the conversation and belittle me and de-value what I was saying, everyone chatting noticed, it was awkward and embarrassing.

Constantly nit-picks, why am I not dressed, why is my car a mess (I have a toddler and a job), why is my house a mess, why am I late, why have I not weeded the garden etc. etc. some of the things are so pathetic and petty. She will also then turn to DC, tut and saying ‘what is your Mum like’

DPs provide a day and half of childcare for me (they offered) recently told me they’re going on hols to Spain next week. (less than 3 weeks notice when they told me) and will obviously have to isolate so won’t be available for 3 wks. No sorry. I was obviously upset and panicked about it, what I’m supposed to do at short notice, I can’t take hols as in the middle of a massive project and it's over half term so others have already booked it off. Got told to stop making them feel bad and that I was being selfish.

These are just snapshots to give the fullest picture without going on even more. There’s many examples but they are along the same lines.
I cannot fathom why things have gone so wrong, I think back to the lovely things we used to do and it’s like they’re different people. I couldn’t imagine going for a coffee with my Mum now let alone for a girl’s weekend in New York or wherever.

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Suzi888 · 30/09/2020 15:40

@WorrierorWarrior

Paragraph 5 "DH stepped in and had a gentle word" I read that as the DH told the DM not to ask about everything and fuss so much. Meaning that DM was to step back. If the DM was such a bad person why is she babysitting the child? Are OP and her DH paying for the child care or is it just family helping out where they can? DM and husband would appear to be retired if they have time to baby sit during working hours. As retired people they dont have to stick to school holidays so can holiday any time. If they were not baby sitting they could take off on a break at a moment's notice but they have given 3 weeks notice because they are baby sitting. As mothers the concern for our children never really changes. I once sat with a very elderly lady who was greatly concerned about her child (a pensioner!) who had a serious operation going on. It was quite startling to think that even in extreme old age this lady was frantic with worry about her child in younger old age. The mum was likely worried about her daughter going through so much. Mums of Mumsnetters always seem to get such a hard time on here. One day we might all be mothers of Mumsnetters
Agree with parts of this. Your DH told your DM to back off, (in a nutshell) so she did....possibly took it as far as she could. “ DM and I socialised together and had some amazing mini breaks just the two of us over the years. ” so she’s also upset that all that stopped and she was dropped. Obviously you have your own life to lead and she should want that.

“ t just someone to come and sit with me, relieve DH, bring me a hot drink at least one day would have been nice.” did you ask her to?

Raging at you, nit picking, turning up with her own sandwich, belittling you etc all terrible behaviour! I think there’s a lot of resentment and neither of you seem to want to address it.

MrsHSW · 30/09/2020 15:41

Holiday fine. 3 weeks notice not OK. Its all about her, she has acted badly...but not sure I'd cut her out just yet. You can either ignore and carry on or tell your mum how her actions have hurt you and how you feel you've drifted apart. I'd go with specific examples like 'this situation, made me feel x, this was the impact'. It may be you are both feeling lost and upset now the relationship has changed.

2bazookas · 30/09/2020 16:36

Sounds like your mum is having some mental issues, could it be very early signs of dementia? If so then you need to make other arrangements for childcare.

Motoko · 30/09/2020 16:41

DM said tartly said ‘well I thought that was a long shot I’ve brought mine’ produced an M&S meal deal from her bag complete with cake and proceeded to eat in front of me. She never even offered to make me a drink let alone phone ahead to see if we needed any food picking up.

I would have cut her off after this. ^ That would have been the final straw for me. As a mother, I just cannot understand how she could just sit there eating her lunch in front of you, and not feeling bad about it. Did you get to eat OP?

You need to stop the childcare. She only offered it so she would look to her friends and play the doting grandmother, and as you've found, she can use it to cause you problems, like only giving you 3 weeks notice. That was very deliberate. Also, she can use that time to trickle poison in your child's ear about you. She's already doing it in front of you, saying things like "What's your mum like?" she could say anything if you're not there. She will try to alienate your child against you. And you can bet that if you've asked her not to feed your child something, she will most certainly ignore you, because "she knows better, she raised you ok, didn't she?".

Unfortunately, you will not get back to how things were. I think if you really look back at that time, she would have shown tendencies, but as your relationship was otherwise good, you let little things go, "Oh, that's just how she is". Who decided what you did on all these trips and days out?

I agree with the majority here, who say things changed because she was no longer your priority. Good mothers would realise that this is an important step in your life. You now have a partner and child who are your first priority. It's called growing up.

I think you need to go NC, but if that's too hard right now, cut right back on seeing her, and stop the childcare, or she will leave you in the shit again.

averythinline · 30/09/2020 16:54

get a childminder/nursery - do not use tehm for chhildcare

get therapy for yourself so you can establish boundaries - i would be very surprised if your relationship was that great before honestly but it may just be that she cant handle not being no 1.

go very Low Contact with your parent - look up grey rock technique until you have had a chance to do step 2.......reduce teh opportunites she has to have a go at you......enable yourself to heal..

honestly I cannot imagine eating something myself in front of anyone never mind my 3week post section daughter......the 'normal' response to .....i thought that might happen as you just have anew born and best laid plans often go wrong - never mind i've brought lunch at m and s we can have it here - got your favourite cake/crisps tooo- do you want tea/coffee/water to drink with yours....
put your feet up i'll stick it in teh mocrowave/on a plate...

or if all ok to go out for lunch - look i brought a back up stick it in the fridge you wont need to worry about lunch tomorrow...

really not nice.....not sure I could have got past that really... so she wouldnt have had teh opportunity for the other shit....

been there with ivf and crappy birth - my mum was rubbish/useless but my expectations were low and she did try and be vaguely helpful not actively undermine..

Howlooseisyourgoose · 30/09/2020 17:30

YANBU. They sound horrible. Stop using them for childcare, they like the control.

Camparispritzandcrisps · 30/09/2020 18:07

First of all, I'm so sorry you're being made to feel this way OP - you've done nothing wrong and you don't deserve it.

It might sound daft, but your mum's behaviour sounds very like my ex - he's the kind of person who loved the idea and appearance of things (and accompanying bragging rights) but as soon as it didn't go his way, or became a bit too much like an effort, he'd throw his toys out of the pram.

It sounds to me like your mum loved the idea of a picture perfect mum-daughter relationship (and bragging rights - I get on so well with OP that we go on holiday etc) but wasn't actually interested in treating you as a person with individual needs. Same with your DC - loves the idea of a Joules advert style 'yummy mummy' daughter and grandchild to brag about, but it all became a bit too much like hard work when it was less than straightforward and you (rightfully) expressed your needs and desires for support.

My ex used to 'punish' me with childish retaliation if I 'ruined' anything for him - he'd really dig in and 'ruin' it properly by behaving appallingly, making me feel about 2 ft tall in the process. It sounds like what's happening here. The Marks sandwich thing is bang out of order, and sounds like something a 6 year old would do - gorging on sweeties in front of the kids who don't have any.

I think the only way to win here is not to play the game. Use your parents going away as a chance to take a break from her ridiculous antics and push the reset button. Get childcare in place, rethink how often you see her and engage with her, and get some counseling if you feel.like you need to speak to someone. Wishing you all the best!

Lantern156 · 30/09/2020 18:47

I’m so sorry OP - she sounds really horrible, and that must be so hard to deal with after a previously good relationship.

It sounds like she’s not handling the fact that you have a new role as ‘mother’ and not just ‘daughter’ - she doesn’t want to acknowledge that you have other priorities, or that you are totally capable of making decisions and handling things yourself.

This is not your fault or your problem to fix; you’re entitled to back off from her for your own sake.

Anordinarymum · 30/09/2020 18:52

@WorrierorWarrior

Paragraph 5 "DH stepped in and had a gentle word" I read that as the DH told the DM not to ask about everything and fuss so much. Meaning that DM was to step back. If the DM was such a bad person why is she babysitting the child? Are OP and her DH paying for the child care or is it just family helping out where they can? DM and husband would appear to be retired if they have time to baby sit during working hours. As retired people they dont have to stick to school holidays so can holiday any time. If they were not baby sitting they could take off on a break at a moment's notice but they have given 3 weeks notice because they are baby sitting. As mothers the concern for our children never really changes. I once sat with a very elderly lady who was greatly concerned about her child (a pensioner!) who had a serious operation going on. It was quite startling to think that even in extreme old age this lady was frantic with worry about her child in younger old age. The mum was likely worried about her daughter going through so much. Mums of Mumsnetters always seem to get such a hard time on here. One day we might all be mothers of Mumsnetters
I agree with this
lazylump72 · 30/09/2020 18:58

OP I am hoping you are now fully recovered and are on the way to being fit and well.Now is the time for you to do a few things.these things will make you far more happier and settled going forward...
!) hire a cleaner a few hours a week this will free up yourtime no end
2) arrange formal childcare either with a childminder or nursery
3) realise you are a grown adult who does not need any ones permission to do /say/think/feel any why you are.You are a wife.and mother and your rules apply.If anyone is not on board then tough on them not you..your job is to do the best for your little family who must come first
4)when you are sorted in your routine then you can decide what to do going forward. Sort you out and your life how you want it then you can tackle your dm.I would not waste one more second being upset and miserable about this situation.You cannot change one thing that has occurred but you can change how you react to it.I think what you really need to do is to sit down with your dm ..just the pair of you.leave the baby with dh and meet for coffee at a nuteral venue.Then its just the two of you and you can put your points accross and listen to her with a view to fixing this relationship.If you want dm in your life then its not unsurmountable but firm boundaries decided between you for the benefit of everyone need to be hammered out in a non combatative way and stuck to.This is your chance to say you are willing to let bygones be bygones on the firm understanding that your needs and your voice are heard first and foremost.You sound quite independant nows the time to show your dm that your on top of being a wife.mother,etc and you choose to have a relationship with her cos she is important to you but you can also choose to get by just fine without her if she so wishes it to be like that.But you will not partake in any game playing or nasty petty behaviour...spell it out. You can do this and get a good outcome.

Chuggington2 · 30/09/2020 20:39

Thanks for everyone who's replied. I've never thought of her as a narcissist but.....

Interestingly after the incident with my relatives at my Grandma's party my DH said it's almost as if she wants to be the Alpha Female and feels threatened, so I suppose that fits. DH and my parents get on well and DH likes to see the good in people but I remem a couple of occasions years ago where DH said she was being incredibly selfish.

I can't find who asked about my DF now but yes we get on well and he does a lot for us without asking or wanting anything in return (small but important DIY things, noticing little jobs he can do in the house) interestingly DH sometimes says this makes him feel awkward, not because he should be doing it, he's very grateful, lol, but because he thinks my DM resents it and it annoys here. I've never actually noticed this though.

But yes DF is TOTALLY PASSIVE and anything for a quiet life and will readily admit it sometimes, but on the occasions I've challenged he gets very, very defensive.

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Chuggington2 · 30/09/2020 20:41

@Motoko...haha well of sorts, dug out a tin of soup (we had nothing much in) I'm eating and she says aren't you going to have some bread with that! Unbelievable.

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katy1213 · 30/09/2020 20:49

She sounds awful - but she is fully entitled to take as many holidays as she wants, when she wants. You need to sort out your own childcare.

Italiangreyhound · 30/09/2020 20:52

It all sounds hard. Get separate child care and focus on you and your family. Thanks

Chuggington2 · 30/09/2020 21:04

Re the holiday of course she can go on holiday @WorrierorWarrior we have a formal childcare arrangement though and less than 3 weeks notice to find 3 weeks worth of solution at present is just not on or enough, normally a weeks hol at short notice no issue, they holiday a lot and it's fine. MIL gladly comes up for the week. SHe doesn't drive, is 73 so has to come four hrs on a train....not really right in the middle of a pandemic...oh and small issue of where she is on total lockdown.

It wasn't on and then to be called selfish and to be asked to stop telling her that I wish she'd have given us some more notice etc. because it was making her feel bad and would spoil her holiday is not really on.

Also she can have who the hell she wants in her garden but I think a grandiose head wetting party when I was in hospital struggling, whacked up on Oromorph and having just been told that DC had lost 12% of his body weight and couldn't go home even if I did was probably not on.

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Chuggington2 · 30/09/2020 21:07

We have childcare for part of my week just neither of the C minders I wanted could do the other two days....I was fretting so they stepped in, it was my Dad actually so maybe my Mum never wanted to do it.

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