Aibu to think the new Sunak scheme is woeful

[Marg33t]

New scheme is going to make lots of people lose their homes and starve.

Employers to pay 1/3rd of wages is way too high. They will cut viable jobs that will bounce back otherwise.

I'm happy to pay my taxes for all that need it to continue to receive furlough as this scheme will keep people in poverty.

Aibu to think it's a mistep?

The events industry is hardly mentioned but is screwed too.

No way employers are going to be able to pay 55% as there is no events happening. I really don't see why conferences and exhibitions can't be socially distanced/staggered times so these industries can get back to it.

But everyone who is affected thinks that. I have lots of friends who have lost jobs and their home in one case. That's only going to get worse.

I don’t know what people expect tbh. People seem to expect for 100% of all salaries to be paid indefinitely. Now that is not viable.

It’s an unprecedented, shit time. But the government didn’t invent coronavirus, they can’t eradicate it, there’s only so much they can do tbh.

i know two musicians theyve got nothing and no work-their career is probably over or they cant afford to wait

If I worked in one of those jobs I'd be truly gutted but thinking about ways I could transfer my skills into another industry

Its not as simple as that. Yes as individuals we can hopefully scrape by, although not quite sure how with unemployment going through the roof, but if the rest of the major players go under there won't be anything to go back to. And 40 billion annually then lost to the treasury from the events sector alone.

Suggest they start hitting job advert sites ASAP.

Thanks, super helpful, but again, do you really think that there are enough jobs to go round?

I’d love to know exactly how much more tax - no one ever has an answer - high earners should pay to foot the bill for the HUGE list above considering the top 5% in this country already pay 31% of all direct tax revenue & as a demographic, I imagine, also take the least out of the system too.

1. I'd go for rates more in line with successful economies in Europe

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2. No, high earners often take a lot, because if they employ people, those people are educated and kept healthy by the state. High earners benefit from a society with relatively low crime etc and high levels of purchasing power. They would not be such high earners in the first place if they were in a society with zero state investment.

Taxes are the nation's equivalent of investing in your business.

Agreed also re aviation industry - it’s decimated. Do we agree that your taxes should pay for pilots?

Where’s the line in the sand?

What about surgeons working in private hospitals only? Not the NHS? They can’t operate because the government has requisitioned the private beds.they have no income. Do we pay for them? That’s a viable job.

How about the highest earning in "the arts" give up their foreign tax havens and return to UK residency to pay UK tax?? Just a thought!

Why do people in this country revel in sneering at the arts sector, it makes them sound utterly thick. Forgetting theatres, how would you have got through lockdown without Netflix, tv, music etc etc?!

The world without the arts would be utterly depressing. Soulless. Joyless.

@DrinkFeckArseGirls

Is the new scheme only accessible to those who were previously furloughed?

No. It's for anyone in a viable job.

I really don't see why conferences and exhibitions can't be socially distanced/staggered times so these industries can get back to it.

I don't get it either. It would be safer than pubs.

@Badbadbunny

How about the highest earning in "the arts" give up their foreign tax havens and return to UK residency to pay UK tax?? Just a thought!

Don't expect Andrew Lloyd Webber to be digging into his pockets!

I think Rishi has his head screwed on actually. We can't bail people out long term, the country will be on its knees economically. Tough, tough decisions are called for. Jobs need to be 'viable' in the current climate or people need to change their skill base and find jobs that are thriving. Short term it was a pretty good furlough scheme.
I disagree that arts are seen as the realm of posh people but I don't think they're considered 'essential' right now. I'm glad I'm not the one making these tough calls right now.

Why do people in this country revel in sneering at the arts sector, it makes them sound utterly thick

I know. It's so depressing isn't it. Try talking that way about the arts in other European countries and see what kind of reception you get.

I voluntarily cut my hours by a third in March and currently still only work 2 thirds of my hours and have done throughout.

Does this affect me at all I wonder?

@MaxNormal

I really don't see why conferences and exhibitions can't be socially distanced/staggered times so these industries can get back to it.

I don't get it either. It would be safer than pubs.

Crazy suggestion, sorry. Last thing you want is seeding the virus across the country.

Pubs, whilst more germy, affect a relatively local pool.

@ChromaBook

I am SE in the sector, I don’t recognise salaried security but I am pretty sure that when we can engage again we will.

And what do you plan on doing in the meantime, because my relative who is a salaried musician is trained for nothing else and has three young children (single parent) and a mortgage.

Why can't he do the same as any other salaried employee?

Universal basic income is the only solution.

Every sector is holding up its hand to billions lost in revenue if they are being squeezed.

It still doesn’t mean we can support for a year or longer (from March)

This suppression will end and all the above will come back. It may be different people but we will want the arts / holidays / frivolity

the lockdown fans have won the day

Are there actually any "lockdown fans"? I certainly don't know any.

I know a lot of people who aren't fans of death and disabling illness though, and are prepared to make sacrifices to prevent it.

Why can't he do the same as any other salaried employee?

Which is what exactly?

I guess it depends how the Govt define 'viable' ?

ExH is a capital city centre bus driver. On furlough (no choice, no other job allowed, cannot volunteer, according to contract amendment)
If he's fired then the Co has to retrain someone when the tourists return / office workers go back / schoolkids attendance is reliable again, when the bus service is vital to moving folk around the city

To me, that seems clear cut, but who knows?
Agree that it is pants for those in industries such as the Arts who may be deemed less 'viable / essential'

But anything that staves off unemployment has to help?
I am in the rural NE. A warehouse job near me just attracted nearly 3,000 applications :0

I'm also assuming many businesses will be cutting down on things like conferences

@Badbadbunny

How about the highest earning in "the arts" give up their foreign tax havens and return to UK residency to pay UK tax?? Just a thought!

There are a few industries where the high paid could start a fund which others, if they would have paid more tax to fund the arts, could pay in to

All of those who seem to have given up on the Arts sector and see the collapse as a foregone conclusion - what do you think will then happen to other sectors? This is a huge industry to collapse, and with so many people out of work, they aren't going to be spending money within other sectors. I was made redundant 3 months ago (not Arts) and have been actively looking for work; it's easier said than done to get another job - there's a lot more people looking than there are jobs. The collapse of the Arts industry is bound to have a huge impact on the rest of the economy as well.