To be confused about carb heavy diet?

[GreenestValley]

Just reading a thread on here about weight loss and diet. Many posters commenting that the Op in that thread has a very carb heavy diet.

I feel quite confused about it as I always thought carbs were an important part of a balanced diet and a source of energy. Obviously not too much white bread, white pasta etc, but from a personal perspective I have to have a fairly carb based diet or else I get hungry and end up snacking. And I’ve always had a normal weight.
I was also under the impression that the “low carb” diets of the early 2000s eg Atkins etc that were very popular, were kind of debunked now.
Am I missing something? Do carbs affect some people differently to others? Would welcome a bit of de mystifying here if anyone has expertise just for my own understanding!

@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd

Because some people don't care to eat dead animals, hamstersarse . Can't believe you just went to all that trouble Googling and shit like it's so going to convince a vegetarian to eat dead animal. Jesus wept. And it's a 'proper' burger - buns, burger in the middle, condiments and sides.

Ahhhh, that is why you are on a thread which bores you! The dead animal crew.

You go for your life with your ultra processed fake burger.

I would skip the bun though - you've already got a load of carbs in your chemical burger

The food manufacturers LOVE pea protein. It’s the next massive money maker for them. They knew that many people were turning away from ready meals due to concerns about their nutritional value so now they can mass market pea protein, stick it in everything and claim it’s saving the planet.

Just be cautious with over eating it. There’s a rising case of allergies occurring off the back of this stuff and as they can hide it in products without the need to label it, people are ingesting these foods and not knowing what ingredient they’re even reacting to.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7767101/amp/How-eating-vegan-burger-kill-you.html

Ahhhh, that is why you are on a thread which bores you! The dead animal crew.

And again, I said food bores are tedious.

So any health benefits of it are staunchly denied on principle...

Being vegetarian is fundamental to some peoples' religious beliefs, although they are obviously not acolytes of the Church of Michael Mosley, their religions are far older, FWIW . We'll see what stands the test of time. There weren't any links back then for those Hindus and Buddhists, but hey, it's okay to mock them for not eating dead animals.

Oh, god, a Daily Mail link. No, thanks.

I don’t even follow Michael Moseley 🤷‍♀️

I think he does good work for most people but I don’t like his calorie counting. I don’t calorie count at all.

I do like this video though showing what humans should eat

I don’t believe it is long term good for you to not eat animal products especially if you are eating all that processed crap

Another link. Yawn. Yes, I'm really going to rely on bloody YouTube to educate me on what 'humans' should eat. It's different for humans, after all, infant humans and younger humans, for example, have higher caloric needs than others. Some don't eat certain food groups for religious reasons.

Many people who are vegetarian or vegan do not eat loads of 'processed crap'. I'm sorry that doesn't suit your agenda, but it's untrue that having a vegetarian or vegan diet is unhealthy because it's full of 'processed crap'.

Everything in moderation suits a great many people more than extremes, is more economical and readily available.

Being vegetarian is fundamental to some peoples' religious beliefs, although they are obviously not acolytes of the Church of Michael Mosley, theirreligions are far older, FWIW . We'll see what stands the test of time. There weren't any links back then for those Hindus and Buddhists, but hey, it's okay to mock them for not eating dead animals.

I was not mocking you or anyone just pointing out the biases in posts from vegetarians/vegans being keen to dismiss the health benefits of a low carb diet. And I don't think anyone has claimed to worship Michael Mosely.

Many people who are vegetarian or vegan do not eat loads of 'processed crap'. I'm sorry that doesn't suit your agenda, but it's untrue that having a vegetarian or vegan diet is unhealthy because it's full of 'processed crap'. 

Well, to be fair some do. But obviously you don't have to. As I said upthread, I am happy to eat some vegan meals but not exclusively.

I have no issue with vegetarianism or veganism bid it works for you then 👌

*If it works for you.

I was not mocking you or anyone just pointing out the biases in posts from vegetarians/vegans being keen to dismiss the health benefits of a low carb diet.

Pointing out the low carb is not the only way to be healthy or even lose weight is not being 'keen to dismiss the health benefits of a low carb diet' . Although some seem very keen to do exactly just this to people who aren't disciples of their chosen way to eat.

It's possible to have a poor diet not matter what you adhere to.

Pointing out the low carb is not the only way to be healthy or even lose weight is not being 'keen to dismiss the health benefits of a low carb diet' 

Wow! A small concession but all the same I'll celebrate that particular victory! I'm pleased you acknowledge the health benefits of a low carb diet.👍

If it works for you, fine, but it's far from the only way and you can still lose weight. I'm on an anti-depressant that fueled weight gain in me and lost 2.5st during lockdown. I still eat pasta, grains, porridge (fav breakfast is overnight oats - 1/2 cup oats, 1/2 cup coconut milk, 1/2 water, then add in seeds and nuts (I like to add in ground flax seed for regularity), dried fruits. In the morning I add in a tablespoon of almond butter and more water as I like it then, maybe some grated apple. Keeps me going for hours). I use Oatley Barista in my coffee, no sugar. Lunch usually includes a cup of veggie soup of some sort, salad with homemade vinaigrette (My mother is French Algerian and taught me how to make a proper vinaigrette) or said hummus sandwich with a piece of fruit. Drink 2ltr of water a day. Dinner is something like lentil casserole, veggie tagine or curry with brown rice or couscous or tofu stir fry, a baked potato with veggie chilli.

I don't have a sweet tooth but do keep some dark chocolate for a nibble when I fancy it.

You can be sensible and still lose weight. Sometimes I eat the hummus sandwich for breakfast or falafel with couscous.

A lot of people think they are hungry, but they're actually thirsty. Growing up with a French woman, drinking water is practically a religion. 'I've got a headache,' drink half a litre of water and wait 20 minutes. 'I'm hungry,' drink a half a litre of water and wait 20 minutes.

It strikes me that some people who talk about low/no carbing have little understanding of the different types of carbohydrates, glycaemic levels and the importance of fibre in the diet. All carbohydrates are not equal in terms of their effect on blood sugar, ability to satiate and inclusion of other nutrients in a portion of carbohydrate rich food. Dairy products are often pushed for extremely low carb diets, yet milk contains carbohydrates. Some nuts are also rich in carbs. I'd rather eat a wide ranging diet which doesn't demonise any particular food group.

My mother is still quite slim at 79. She's no low-carber, just sensible and she never snacks. If she has a real craving, for say, a hunk of cake, she'll eat that instead of lunch. She still walks everywhere, too, and still goes to ballet class 3x/week! 'Incidental' exercise is a big part of life in many places but sadly not here so much; usually involves walking or cycling to get from A to B. Among the young, too, there's a lot of incidental sport and far more council/low cost team sport usually (not so much with Covid).

@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd

Another link. Yawn. Yes, I'm really going to rely on bloody YouTube to educate me on what 'humans' should eat. It's different for humans, after all, infant humans and younger humans, for example, have higher caloric needs than others. Some don't eat certain food groups for religious reasons.

Many people who are vegetarian or vegan do not eat loads of 'processed crap'. I'm sorry that doesn't suit your agenda, but it's untrue that having a vegetarian or vegan diet is unhealthy because it's full of 'processed crap'.

Everything in moderation suits a great many people more than extremes, is more economical and readily available.

Breast milk is high fat low carb

Babies are in ketosis when they are born and breast fed

It’s a very natural state that most modern adults never do

@DeliasDinner

It strikes me that some people who talk about low/no carbing have little understanding of the different types of carbohydrates, glycaemic levels and the importance of fibre in the diet. All carbohydrates are not equal in terms of their effect on blood sugar, ability to satiate and inclusion of other nutrients in a portion of carbohydrate rich food. Dairy products are often pushed for extremely low carb diets, yet milk contains carbohydrates. Some nuts are also rich in carbs. I'd rather eat a wide ranging diet which doesn't demonise any particular food group.

Would you be prepared to demonise haribo? Or coco pops?

Beyond meat burgers are processed crap 🤷‍♀️

That’s why people might surmise that you are a veggie who eats junk

@DeliasDinner

It strikes me that some people who talk about low/no carbing have little understanding of the different types of carbohydrates, glycaemic levels and the importance of fibre in the diet. All carbohydrates are not equal in terms of their effect on blood sugar, ability to satiate and inclusion of other nutrients in a portion of carbohydrate rich food. Dairy products are often pushed for extremely low carb diets, yet milk contains carbohydrates. Some nuts are also rich in carbs. I'd rather eat a wide ranging diet which doesn't demonise any particular food group.

Who are these people? I think you'll find that all those of us who are low carb proponents are very well aware of these things.

And any good low carb diet will always contain all three macronutrients, just in different proportions from those which are currently deemed healthy. So high fat:medium protein:low carb, rather than high carb:medium protein: low fat.

@DeliasDinner

It strikes me that some people who talk about low/no carbing have little understanding of the different types of carbohydrates, glycaemic levels and the importance of fibre in the diet. All carbohydrates are not equal in terms of their effect on blood sugar, ability to satiate and inclusion of other nutrients in a portion of carbohydrate rich food. Dairy products are often pushed for extremely low carb diets, yet milk contains carbohydrates. Some nuts are also rich in carbs. I'd rather eat a wide ranging diet which doesn't demonise any particular food group.

I agree. I've seen threads on here likening a banana to a bag of Haribo. C'mon! No fruit, apparently. That would suck. Love a bowl of grapes and cherries with lunch, a clementine with porridge at breakfast, some melon with a splash of liqueur with dinner. An apple with a nut butter sandwich on a hard fell walk at lunch.

@hamstersarse

Beyond meat burgers are processed crap 🤷‍♀️

That’s why people might surmise that you are a veggie who eats junk

But a dead animal carcass or milk made to feed the offspring of another species is dandy. 🤷‍♀️ The farming industry is great for male cattle, said no one ever. Or for the dairy cow.

MODERATION. It doesn't involve eating a Beyond Meat burger every day .

'Junk' is heroin, not demonising food groups.

Anyone for some falafel? I have a batch on the go, DD is making it. Big pan of seasonal roasted vegetables to go with it. She made a seeded loaf of bread in the machine yesterday, it's delicious!

I make my own hummus so I always have it. Need to go and stick my containers of vegetable curry in the freezer for quick dinners. I'll probably die from ill health on the way so check in on me.

@DeliasDinner

It strikes me that some people who talk about low/no carbing have little understanding of the different types of carbohydrates, glycaemic levels and the importance of fibre in the diet. All carbohydrates are not equal in terms of their effect on blood sugar, ability to satiate and inclusion of other nutrients in a portion of carbohydrate rich food. Dairy products are often pushed for extremely low carb diets, yet milk contains carbohydrates. Some nuts are also rich in carbs. I'd rather eat a wide ranging diet which doesn't demonise any particular food group.

I doubt that all fibre is equal either. The way gut microbiome works I would hazard a guess that a very varied diet, with lots of veg, and small quantities of deiverse carbs (e.g. smallish portions of beans, lentils, whole grains, nuts, dark choc etc) is probably good compared to a high fibre diet where the fibre is predominantly coming from a small number of starchy sources. A varied diet, even if not very large quantities quantities of fibre overall, will have many different types of insoluble and insoluble fibre.

I agree that very low carb diets, which exclude lots of otherwise healthy foods aren't good. Mainly from the perspective that gut biome likes variety and colour. I question the benefit of eating lots of the same food, repeatedly.

I do like some Haribo on a really long hillwalk. Actually I prefer boiled sweets to suck on but my really hardcore, native Cumbrian friend swears by dark chocolate covered Kendal mint cake on the trail. I gave it a bash and yeah, it's fab. It's definitely wise to carry something like these in your emergency drybag on long walks with your stuffs like fire key, tinder, bivy bag or shelter tent, etc.

Haribo has a place!