To be confused about carb heavy diet?

[GreenestValley]

Just reading a thread on here about weight loss and diet. Many posters commenting that the Op in that thread has a very carb heavy diet.

I feel quite confused about it as I always thought carbs were an important part of a balanced diet and a source of energy. Obviously not too much white bread, white pasta etc, but from a personal perspective I have to have a fairly carb based diet or else I get hungry and end up snacking. And I’ve always had a normal weight.
I was also under the impression that the “low carb” diets of the early 2000s eg Atkins etc that were very popular, were kind of debunked now.
Am I missing something? Do carbs affect some people differently to others? Would welcome a bit of de mystifying here if anyone has expertise just for my own understanding!

I've tried a low carb diet and it wasn't for me. I was so grumpy and hungry on it. I don't think that it works for everyone and it's very tedious when people insist that it's the only solution.

I have a LC fanatic friend who insists that it's the only way that people can lose weight and keeps telling another friend who lost weight by calorie counting, that it's just a matter of time before she regains the lost weight even though it's been over 8 years.

Besides I have no desire to live without bread, pasta, rice and the occasional pastry. I enjoy them and LC substitutes are not to my taste.

For those who can’t give up their processed carbs and are determined to hang onto them, just add in some intermittent fasting and you’ll make your diet much more healthy immediately. Something like 18:6 would work well.

@AllPlayedOut

Besides I have no desire to live without bread, pasta, rice and the occasional pastry. I enjoy them and LC substitutes are not to my taste.

Carry on as you are. We still, just about, live in a democracy.

I agree, TealIris. Out of curiosity I checked out a Mosley book from the library. No good for anyone who doesn't eat meat or is vegan or lactose intolerant (or adversely conditioned to the taste of dairy. I've been lactose intolerant all my life and because this was back when there were no tablets to take to help you break down lactose or dairy free versions of things, I cannot tolerate the taste of any dairy). Think there's a vegan version now, but honestly, I've never been a one-sized fits all type of eater.

People always go on about the science (science has taken the place of religion in some human societies) but that keeps changing all the time, too.

Carry on as you are. We still, just about, live in a democracy.

I am aware of that, but it is incredibly annoying when you encounter evangelical low carbers, like my friend, who can't accept that it isn't the only way for people to lose weight and that though it may work for them it doesn't necessarily mean that it's right for everyone.

@justanotherneighinparadise

For those who can’t give up their processed carbs and are determined to hang onto them, just add in some intermittent fasting and you’ll make your diet much more healthy immediately. Something like 18:6 would work well.

Maybe their diet is 'healthy' without having to give up 'processed carbs' entirely? They're not exactly snorting cocaine . The 'giving up' and 'fasting' it sounds, well, like religion in a lot of ways.

@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd see my comment above. Just adding in intermittent fasting would give you the benefit of low carb without changing anything else 👌

Love carbs
They age literally the best thing ever

@AllPlayedOut

Carry on as you are. We still, just about, live in a democracy.

I am aware of that, but it is incredibly annoying when you encounter evangelical low carbers, like my friend, who can't accept that it isn't the only way for people to lose weight and that though it may work for them it doesn't necessarily mean that it's right for everyone.

Yeah, they're tedious. Food bores always are. There's a degree of sanctimony about it that reminds me of religious fundamentalism (except it's 'the science'), which is also beyond boring.

[quote justanotherneighinparadise]@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd see my comment above. Just adding in intermittent fasting would give you the benefit of low carb without changing anything else 👌[/quote]
Dear god, it's not necessary for some to have 'the benefit' of either one! There's no need for them to change, they're not fat, insulin resistant, whatever and everything in moderation works for them.

God, the preachiness of this. It used to be only vegans .

@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd

Free speech is nearly still allowed!

I enjoy a bit of banter with the pro-carbers. Obviously I do this knowing that if they are not already fat they will be soon and feel very smug about it

[quote hamstersarse]@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd

Free speech is nearly still allowed!

I enjoy a bit of banter with the pro-carbers. Obviously I do this knowing that if they are not already fat they will be soon and feel very smug about it [/quote]
Never said it wasn't . Food bores are tedious as fuck. Low carb and fasting is not the only way to lose weight, doesn't work for some people and some people never need it, the fuckers just don't get fat. I've got an aunt in her 70s like this, it's highly annoying . I have quite a few family members like this, also have a mother who doesn't have the 3 glacier lines across her forehead like I have (thanks, Papa) despite being 29 years older than I am.

‘Yes, but you seem to be trying to imply that saying 'humans didn't used to eat a very carb-heavy diet full of processed grains, but now they do, and it's not very good for them' actually means "We can and should copy an exact ancestral diet.”

No. I am not implying that.

I am saying the following:

1. Almost everyone in the entire world eats a high carb diet. Carbs are the staple globally and have been for a very long time.

1. The food we eat today, whether you eat high carb, low carb, vegetarian, vegan or otherwise is modified by selective breeding and farming processes.

1. The evidence we have for pre farming diets is that diet was diverse and includes both food high in complex carbohydrates (tubers, grains) and simple carbohydrates (honey in very large quantities).

1. Protein and fat sources vary widely in their micronutrition. Eating fat from a cow is not as nutritious as eating whale blubber.

1. Many people eat a poor quality diet. For example, pointing out that it is not massively easy to get the correct amount of fibre on a low carb diet doesn’t go away just because there are other people who also don’t get enough fibre. I want to look at more nutritious ways of eating, with a focus on micronutrients.

I am however very glad that other people are having health problems resolved by low carb diets.

I am struggling to think of any high fat high protein meal I would want to eat as a vegetarian.

🤭

Never said it wasn't hmm. Food bores are tedious as fuck. Low carb and fasting is not the only way to lose weight, doesn't work for some people and some people never need it, the fuckers just don't get fat. I've got an aunt in her 70s like this, it's highly annoying wink. I have quite a few family members like this, also have a mother who doesn't have the 3 glacier lines across her forehead like I have (thanks, Papa) despite being 29 years older than I am

I bet your aunt in her 70's doesn't eat snacks every hour of the day (i.e. fasts)

Why do you come on a thread that bores you? You are very welcome of course, but it seems strange to deliberately come on if you have no interest in low carbing when this is very clearly about low carbing

p.s. low carbing can help with skin renewal

I am struggling to think of any high fat high protein meal I would want to eat as a vegetarian.

In the original 5:2 book it's like: meat and cheese, cheese and cream, meat with more cheese, eggs with cheese, cheese with cream. And the veg wasn't very Mediterranean. Never mind now, though, Mosley's akin to god at present. It will pass. It always does.

• low carbing and fasting (especially autophagy) can help with skin renewal

I am struggling to think of any high fat high protein meal I would want to eat as a vegetarian

I struggle to think of any high protein and nutritionally valuable vegetarian meal

Different strokes for different folks

It SO depends on your body type. I lost a stack of weight in 1980s on the low fat diet and kept it off really easily for decades with a low fat diet. Then I started eating fat and it crept back on. I still can't face much fat though - the keto recipes make me feel sick just looking at them and I know they would trigger really bad acid attacks. I thrive better on a balance of complex carbs, lean protein a bit of fat and a lot of fruit and veg. The only carbs that make me feel hungry an hour after eating are highly processed ones - anything with white flour or processed sugary snacks. Normal things like brown rice or pasta are fine.

@hamstersarse

Never said it wasn't hmm. Food bores are tedious as fuck. Low carb and fasting is not the only way to lose weight, doesn't work for some people and some people never need it, the fuckers just don't get fat. I've got an aunt in her 70s like this, it's highly annoying wink. I have quite a few family members like this, also have a mother who doesn't have the 3 glacier lines across her forehead like I have (thanks, Papa) despite being 29 years older than I am

I bet your aunt in her 70's doesn't eat snacks every hour of the day (i.e. fasts)

Why do you come on a thread that bores you? You are very welcome of course, but it seems strange to deliberately come on if you have no interest in low carbing when this is very clearly about low carbing

p.s. low carbing can help with skin renewal

I didn't say the thread bored me, I said food bores do . The OP did not state 'This is a low carb thread' she pitched it as a discussion about her confusion.

p.s., Botox ameliorated the lines .

What is autophagy?

I am more convinced by the evidence that fasting has benefits (although I am not prone to disordered eating and it wouldn’t recommend it to someone who was).

But I wouldn’t call not eating between meals fasting. I call not eating between meals having a job.

Micro fasts are the gaps between meals, where you make sure you allow your insulin to reduce in your blood stream - as shown in the graphs posted earlier

Autophagy is incredible. It comes after approximately 17 hours of fasting (hence the 18/6 fasting regime). It literally means "to consume yourself" and happens after prolonged absistence of food. Basically your cells begin to process 'themselves'

Old cell components and so called 'misfolded' proteins are recycled (so bits of old protein etc are cleaned out) and cells start to renew.

It is basically a big clear out, a trip to the tip, making your cells more efficient and prolonging the life of the cells

There is lots and lots of research around this now after someone won the Nobel prize for it in 2016. It is being trialled for cancer patients (reason for optimism in trials so far) but for the standard Joe, the process is essentially anti-ageing and health promoting.

I am more convinced by the evidence that fasting has benefits (although I am not prone to disordered eating and it wouldn’t recommend it to someone who was).

Fasting is really a no brainer. It is something everyone should do.

Interestingly on the ED front, there is a study I have seen where anorexic patients were put on a keto diet. They had great success. The reason for this is related to the control of appetite - many people with this ED struggle with the feelings of being out of control of their appetite (brought on by excessive carbs) and by eating food that regulates your appetite biologically, they were able to feel more in control and gain weight.

Do you mind explaining a bit more about the 18/6 Hamster? I know I could go and look it up but you are very clear in your explanations.