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Toxic family friend resurfaced aibu

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Waitingforthehammertofallll · 18/09/2020 23:28

This may be long and complicated but I'll try and be as concise and to the point as I can.
My mum has had this friend she has known since the 60s so they go back a long way. She has always been a strange sort, takes offence very easily, dramatic, interfering, deliberately trying to goad people. I remember her visiting regularly when I was a child and she used to speak toy brother and I quite sharply and snap at us. If we were misbehaving or up to mischief she'd shout in out faces and constantly complain about us to our mum "she's just done this, she's just done that" so my mum would tell us off and she'd be all smug. My mum was aware she was a difficult character but nonetheless it was her friend so we tolerated her through the years. She has never had DC of her own and always seemed to see my brother and I as an inconvenience when she came to visit, overly strict, intolerant and irritable with us. My mum did make it clear to her though that we were her kids and came first and she has to accept that if she was to spend time at our house. She just seemed a bit embittered regarding children. She'd say "get out the way" and "shut up" and things like that.
Safe to say I never really liked her but we were always courteous as a children. We were intimidated by her I think !

Fast forward years later to me having my own son after an awful long labour and emergency CS after he got into difficulty. Mum rang her to say I'd had him but I'd had a rough time. She wanted to visit me in hospital but my mum declined this as she knew I wouldn't want her there. I only wanted DH and my mum visiting. She took the hump massively and said she's practically family so should be there to see the new baby. Mum said she'd WhatsApp her a photo of me holding my ds. She never replied to the text. Mum said herself that she's in a huff and said "you know she can be a funny one, don't worry" . I hadn't got the energy or tolerance for her childish emotional blackmail and games.
I was enraged ( a mix of exhaustion and hormones) and rang her and gave her a piece of my mind saying she had no right to make demands, she wasn't especially nice to me as a kid so why would I want her there. It culminated in an epic row where she told me "you're a fat cow, you'll do no good, you're mental " plus other insults. I slammed the phone down. Told my mum ,she was appalled. Said she wanted no more contact with her. No contact for 8 years. I vowed never to let her near DS. I never wanted to see her again. I suffered mild depression and anxiety during my pregnancy and it got worse after the birth so these negative feelings compounded and left me feeling shaken and unsettled. It was all about her and what she wanted, she was very demanding and selfish.

So last week through the grapevine mum has heard she has been in hospital and is quite ill. She's 10 years older than my mum so getting on a bit Mum has phoned her and said it was lovely to chat "it was as if nothing had ever happened" and as the friends DH has recently died mum said she is welcome to come and stay and mum can help look after her!!! I couldn't believe it, as if my mum's memory has been erased and she's forgotten how vile she was to me!!

The friend has not offered any apology to me ,she's asked my mum how I am and how old is my DS now and she would love to see him. After the way she treated me I don't think so!!!!
I want nothing to do with her. I don't want my DS near her. She is toxic and unhinged. My mum is acting like nothing ever happened.

I've argued with my mum over it and asked her where her loyalties lie. She said I'm ridiculous. I probably am, I don't know!!? If someone had treated one of my DC like that I'd be livid !!!!

Just seems bad that she can waltz back into our lives oblivious to the hurt she caused.
Sorry it's long. I wanted to provide as much background info as possible.

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Waitingforthehammertofallll · 19/09/2020 00:55

@louisawhitegenius omg is it the same person, they sounds scarily alike! She too had various issues in previous years and also not able to have DC which I did feel sorry for. Very complicated woman, as kids we never knew where we stood with her, whether she would chat to us or tell us to shut up. Some days she was ok, other days very hostile

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louisawhitegenius · 19/09/2020 01:02

@Waitingforthehammertofallll good god I hope not Grin it's hard but with the passing of time I have been able to be a bit more compassionate. Tbf she never attacked me like this lady did to you, I can see why you would want nowt to do with it! I

BeepBoopBop · 19/09/2020 09:24

I can understand entire why you don't like her - she sounds bloody awful (my mum has/had/has a 'friend' like that, she is awful and I can't stand her. But at the end of the day, your mums friend was in your mums life for a long time previously, they were young and different people then and they have memories that go back decades. Scooters, motorbikes, mini skirts, youth, vigour, music, dancing, friendships etc. Make your mum proud that you are the better person, don't avoid her, be polite and make this easy & enjoyable for them both. We can't even guess what is around the corner, so let your mum have some fun reminiscing!
It's not a competition - your mum loves you!!

AlternativePerspective · 19/09/2020 09:33

Life’s toO short for this stuff.

She’s your mum’s friend. Chances are you had friends as a child and growing up your mum didn’t like either for whatever reason.

You don’t have to like the woman but equally expecting your mum to pick you because the woman called you a cow after you inflamed the situation by ringing her up to give her a mouthful of abuse is OTT.

The rest of the details are irrelevant really. You rang her, she likely just retaliated

Let it go.

AlternativePerspective · 19/09/2020 09:34

And FWIW if she’d forced herself in directly and you’d then had a go at her that would have been understandable. But by ringing her you were looking for conflict and you got it.

ekidmxcl · 19/09/2020 09:38

She was a nasty woman in her youth, age doesn’t change that. The fact that she is frail and looks it will just make it easier for her to manipulate people.

Sweet old lady wants to brighten her day by seeing a family friend’s young child: so you look evil and unhinged saying no.
Easy peasy manipulation.

Your mum sounds like a nice person, too nice. I’d tell her she’s been manipulated.

RoseTintedAtuin · 19/09/2020 10:33

It sounds like your mother has made her decision and that’s fine but you get to make yours too.
Could you sit your mum down with a tea and explain that you understand she’s her old friend and she wants to help her and rebuild the friendship and you will try and be supportive of that but that you need to make it clear now that you will not be involved with her in any way and neither will your child. So long as you make the boundaries clear I don’t think it should impact your life too much.

Heffalooomia · 19/09/2020 10:53

You're a fat cow
Hilarious 🤣
I would keep winding her up until she burst a blood vessel 🤭

Pinkdelight3 · 19/09/2020 11:02

It's been 8 years. Expecting an apology is just raking it up all over again as if it was yesterday. She called you names (after you had a go). Her punishment has been 8 years of NC. I think that's enough without an apology. You don't have to draw a line, but your mum can and it's not for you to get involved, and is nothing to do with your DS either, invoking him is only making this even more emotive for no real reason. Leave them to enjoy some friendship while she's still around.

ChristmasCarcass · 19/09/2020 11:09

I wouldn’t see her. I also wouldn’t be ecstatic that it sounds like she has conned your mum into being her unpaid carer (“move in with your mum so she can look after her” after a hospital admission - wtf? Is that a permanent arrangement?).

But I’m not sure what you can do about it. Your mum is an adult. Just steer clear and hope they fall out again and she flounces.

VettiyaIruken · 19/09/2020 11:12

All you can do is accept your mum is going to be in contact but there is no reason at all why you have to see her or take your child to see her. You do not have to prioritise her or your mum over your feelings.

Waitingforthehammertofallll · 19/09/2020 12:36

@AlternativePerspective who said I rang her and have her a mouthful of abuse? I rang her in an annoyed state, and firmly told her she had no place making demands to see my newborn in the hospital straight after he had been born. Not once did I swear at or abuse her !!!
I don't know where you got abuse from?!

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Waitingforthehammertofallll · 19/09/2020 12:37

@Heffalooomia wind who up?

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Waitingforthehammertofallll · 19/09/2020 12:40

@ChristmasCarcass thanks, I think my mum feels sorry for her as she's given a woe is me tale and has no other family locally and mum has a spare room so has said she can stay. My dad, brother and sister agree it's very odd how it's come about quite suddenly.

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Waitingforthehammertofallll · 19/09/2020 12:43

@ekidmxcl you have it on one. Spot on! I look bad for saying I don't want to see her or have her near DS. Don't wish her ill I just don't want to be involved at all with her. I love my mum and family so much and it feels like she's a fly in the ointment for want of a better way to describe....

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Waitingforthehammertofallll · 19/09/2020 12:43

*in one

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Heffalooomia · 19/09/2020 12:49

[quote Waitingforthehammertofallll]@Heffalooomia wind who up?[/quote]
Your mother's toxic friend, I was being facetious.... to an extent
I think one problem is that you've been trained by your mother that you must tolerate this person, to me that is just enabling her bat shit anti-social behaviour

Waitingforthehammertofallll · 19/09/2020 12:50

Thanks all for input 😉 much appreciated. I don't think IABU and I won't let it come between my mum and I. It's inevitable that the friend will cause friction whilst at mum's, it's in her nature to be like that (as my mum well knows). Don't want her near my DC because of how she was when I was a child and there's no way on this earth their having their feelings hurt. @AlternativePerspective I have the right to call.and challenge someone who has made remarks about me and my newborn son. @GoldfishParade I didn't call her any names ,I didn't swear at her or abuse her so her calling me names was totally uncalled for.

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Waitingforthehammertofallll · 19/09/2020 12:51

*they're having their feelings hurt

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Waitingforthehammertofallll · 19/09/2020 12:51

@Heffalooomia sorry I see what you mean now lol Grin

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BitOfFun · 19/09/2020 12:57

was enraged ( a mix of exhaustion and hormones) and rang her and gave her a piece of my mind saying she had no right to make demands, she wasn't especially nice to me as a kid so why would I want her there. It culminated in an epic row

I think it was a bad idea to provoke her, and she was probably just as upset as you. You can both paint yourselves as the more injured (you having just had a baby; she is quite elderly and clearly sees herself as almost family.)

Not only does she gat ranted at, but the choice in her friendship has gone in an instant: your mother has to toe the line and back you up.

For EIGHT YEARS! My, you can hold a grudge!

Links to your past become pretty important as you get older- I believe it’s best you step aside and leave them to it. I suspect you’ll feel lighter once you’ve let go of this animosity. Good luck!

WiserOlder · 19/09/2020 13:02

She sounds insane. What is your mum's level of emotional intelligence to have had a friend like this?!

I'd say to her as calmly as you can manage ''do what you think is right''.

Bluntness100 · 19/09/2020 13:03

Gosh you hold a grudge for a very long time. To be still hurt eight years later is something else.

Look you don’t need to see her, she’s your mums friend, if she’s happy then that’s all that matters, it’s not about you. Stop trying to make it about you. Just don’t visit when she’s there.

Heffalooomia · 19/09/2020 13:10

I think in your shoes OP I would be angry at this situation, however from reading your post I feel as if your mum is just a soft touch and she can't really help it....maybe that is too generous an interpretation of your mother's behaviour?
I'd probably use it as an opportunity to get my own back on this woman
(But that would be evil and childish and one should not behave like that 😶)

Mittens030869 · 19/09/2020 13:14

I would agree that 8 years is a long time to hold onto anger and hurt. I suspect that there's a part of you that's relating to her as a hurt child; she clearly did hurt you then.

But she can't hurt you now m, as you're an adult with your own family. You stood up to her before and you can again if she oversteps the mark. She can only upset you as much as you allow her to. And she's your mum's friend, not yours, so you're not being expected to have her come and stay t yours, are you?