Reporting dangerous dogs?

[LondonLassi]

Something has been on my mind for a few days after hearing about the poor 12 day old baby who died after being attacked by a dog.

My sister’s neighbour has a 16 year old son who is regularly in trouble with the police. I spend a lot of time there. The screaming and shouting that comes from next door is horrendous and the police are often called out to restrain him. He is not in school. Smokes weed all day. I’ve never seen his face because he wears a hoodie over a face covering (even pre-COVID) I’m just trying to paint a picture of the kind of troubled youth we’re dealing with here. If you make eye contact with him he will swear at you, call you names and threaten you. He is quite frankly a bit scary.

About a year ago they got two puppies from the same litter. They are fully grown now and they look like some sort of pit bull cross. Possibly pit bull/mastiff. They are huge. I’ll attach a pic of what I think they might be. When we sit out in the garden we can hear them next door fighting and growling, they barge my sisters fence to try to get to her small jack Russell terriers. They’ve had to repair the fence three times already after the dogs broke it.

This boy walks the dogs regularly. They are not muzzled. If we happen to leave the house at the same time the dogs go up on their hind legs and get very over excited. The boy has to pull them back to get them away. They try to break free to get to anyone walking near them if they’re out for a walk. Tonight we happened to be leaving as the boy was walking home. The dogs immediately started barking at us and were trying to run towards us and had to be restrained. We often hear people shouting when they walk by because of the dogs trying to get to them. It’s very scary when it happens because they are big and intimidating.

I am terrified of what would happen if these dogs managed to get loose. They have been raised by someone with a violent, anti social background. I can’t shake the image of them getting hold of a child. The boy has a little brother in the house, probably around 6 years old.

What would you do in this situation? I’m thinking of reporting them as potentially dangerous dogs. If IABU please tell me. It just seems like an awful attack waiting to happen.

@vanillandhoney

I give up, I've not proved your point at all. My point is that the likes of a poodle, lab, spaniel would be zero use as a protection dog as they are not fighting dogs, never have been and do not possess the physical characteristics required.

A staffy trained to be aggressive could be lethal, a poodle trained to be aggressive could not. That is the difference. They are both small (obvs not talking about a standard poodle) but a staffy is muscular and has a much stronger jaw and more powerful bite. That is fact. I like staffy's but they do have the potential to be a dangerous dog.

@Honeyhoops
ANY dog has the potential to be dangerous.
Poodles were originally hunting dogs as were
most dogs; nearly all had a purpose.
Akita’s and Huskies are become popular with ‘thugs’ now but they’re fluffy I suppose 🙄

@SBTLove

Of course the stats for labs biting will be higher, they're one of the most popular family dogs. However they are not on any list of aggressive dogs, and to my knowledge have not killed anyone.

Any dog can do damage if it bites, but the chances of a retriever mauling anyone to death is practically zero, much more likely with a bull breed, Rottweiler, mastiff.

From what the op has said the boy is a hooded thug, what's your issue?

[quote Honeyhoops]@vanillandhoney

I give up, I've not proved your point at all. My point is that the likes of a poodle, lab, spaniel would be zero use as a protection dog as they are not fighting dogs, never have been and do not possess the physical characteristics required.

A staffy trained to be aggressive could be lethal, a poodle trained to be aggressive could not. That is the difference. They are both small (obvs not talking about a standard poodle) but a staffy is muscular and has a much stronger jaw and more powerful bite. That is fact. I like staffy's but they do have the potential to be a dangerous dog. [/quote]
So all the news stories people have posted are totally irrelevant to you? Because it seems to be that in your mind, only bull breeds can kill or attack anyone.

So we'll just ignore the facts that say labs are the dogs most likely to bite. And we'll ignore the stories that say jack russells, dachshunds, huskies and collies have all been responsible for child fatalities - just so long as it fits with your prejudices?

@SBTLove

You're being ridiculous, I think poodles were bred to be used in hunting as a retrieval dog, just like spaniels. They were not bred to be aggressive.

Bull Terriers were bred for blood sports and fighting.

@SBTLove but we do know the boy and the dogs. Can you not read? My judgement is not solely based on appearance alone. Jesus wept. I tried to be polite by referring to him as a troubled youth and that didn’t go down well either. So now, based on the fact that he is a violent, anti social, mother beating, nose breaking, drug using, police assaulting criminal, I am quite right to refer to him as a thug. His dogs are untrained, out of control, fence breaking, intimidating mastiff x pit bulls who have the potential to inflict serious damage to people and property. Again, I am right to refer to them as dangerous. My judgement is not based on ‘breed prejudice’ it is based on observation and knowledge about these PARTICULAR dogs and their owner.

Why can’t you just admit that there are certain breeds that need to be kept with a lot more caution. There are certain breeds that are born with a genetic disposition towards violence that need to be reared in a very careful manner with a lot of training and discipline. If you were such an expert you’d know that I am not wrong.

@vanillandhoney

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ListofffataldoggattacksinntheUniteddKingdom

Here's the link again. Have a look and compare killings by collies etc. and bull breeds, Rottweilers.

[quote Honeyhoops]@vanillandhoney

[[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List]]offfataldoggattacksinntheUniteddKingdom

Here's the link again. Have a look and compare killings by collies etc. and bull breeds, Rottweilers.[/quote]
I never said bull breeds etc. don't kill. I said it's not true that other dogs aren't responsible.

@Honeyhoops
Maybe some were bred for bloodsports over 150 years ago, do you not think that trait has now been bred out 🙄 many breeds were originally bred for purpose but over time these traits have been bred out. Honestly just stop with your determination to discriminate against bull breeds, do you know the KC class staffies as one of few breeds to be safe with kids??

@vanillandhoney

Where on that list is a killing by a lab or a retriever, spaniel, poodle??

All dogs may bite if provoked, all dogs could kill a baby. I've never said this is not true but why anyone would own a dog that they could not control and stop if for some reason it attacked a person or another dog is beyond me.

All I have learnt from this thread is that dog people are willfully blind

@LondonLassi
Your posts are full of nonsense, no dog has a pre disposition to violence ffs, and yet again stop with the pitbull crap.
Waste of time trying to explain anything to close minded idiots, I have worked with dogs a very long time and can disprove your stupid misconceptions, but you pearl clutching judgy types know best 🙄

And if you’re going to argue that certain breeds do not have certain genetic dispositions are we going to say it’s prejudiced to assume that @vanillandhoney beagle is a natural born scenthound that was specifically bred for hunting and enjoys digging and tracking. I mean, how dare I assume he or she has a nose designed for this purpose.

@SBTLove

Clearly you haven't watched any of the documentaries about gangs (thugs) breeding bull dogs to use for fighting and their own protection. Unfortunately these breeds still have the physical attributes which makes them good for this use.

There's a big difference between labradors being the most likely dog to bite in the uk and this pair of huge bull breed dogs. Most breeds will bite - no breed is always docile. Maybe a couple of bites. Might cause a nasty wound. But some breeds were originally created to attack till their prey is dead, and to add to that are bred so they have no loose skin, nothing to get a grip on to pull them off their target.

Being two dogs increases the likelihood of problems as overexcited dogs of all breeds will wind each other into a frenzy. The OP needs these dogs to be made safe in some way. They sound like a hellish mix of breeds TBH and certainly not a crossbreed that just anyone could easily bring up well especially a pair of litter mates.

Of course the stats for labs biting will be higher, they're one of the most popular family dogs. However they are not on any list of aggressive dogs, and to my knowledge have not killed anyone.

If you're going to argue this, at least look up the statistics. I posted a link upthread but it got largely ignored.

In the US in 2017, labradors were responsible for the fourth highest number of deaths: www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2017.php

In 2016, they were number two on the list - responsible for three deaths. www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2016.php

And yes, I'm well aware that those statistics show pitbulls to be the most dangerous, but my argument throughout this thread has been that other "family friendly" breeds are just as capable of killing a child, but I keep getting shouted down and told I'm being ridiculous and that of course a lovely Labrador or spaniel couldn't possibly hurt anyone.

Other articles below:

A 9yo girl was left needing 230 stitches after being attacked by the family Labrador in 2019 www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-takes-down-mirrors-home-20333269 -

A 3yo boy was left with facial injuries after being attacked by a black Labrador in Dorset www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003849/Boy-3-left-horrific-facial-injuries-Labrador-savages-Poole-Harbour.html

A labrador/foxhoud cross was responsible for killing 26 day old twins in Brazil www.thesun.co.uk/news/11998053/newborn-twins-dog-killed-brazil/

A girl was left eating through a tube after a springer spaniel bit her lip off and ripped through her cheek www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2988084/Eight-year-old-girl-left-eating-syringe-attacked-park-springer-spaniel-tore-lip-bit-cheek.html

@Honeyhoops
Really? do you think working in rescue I’m not aware?ffs
@LondonLassi
Not every bull breed has a violent pre disposition, yes some are bred by horrible ppl and made aggressive. Do you think staffies would be the one of the most popular doga in the U.K. if they were all born aggressive?
Your reluctance to take anything other than your own limited knowledge on board is quite sad, your thread has went from concern to outright ignorance and small mindedness.

@vanillandhoney
They aren’t interested in anything other than their own ignorant views, I’ve posted several
links and comments based on my own knowledge and experience but they know best 🙄

[quote SBTLove]@vanillandhoney
They aren’t interested in anything other than their own ignorant views, I’ve posted several
links and comments based on my own knowledge and experience but they know best 🙄[/quote]
Yep, I know - tragic, really.

At least look up some basic facts before arguing your case

@SBTLove you’ve just said it yourself. Some are bred by horrible people and made aggressive. Perhaps by horrible people who use drugs, assault their mothers and pull knives on the police? Maybe I am completely wrong and underneath all of that he is a lovely boy. Next time he puts a brick through his mother’s window I’ll pop my head in and say hi. Hopefully I won’t have my face ripped off by his two cuddly mastiffs. Although, I’m sure that won’t happen seeing as they’ve been raised by such a stable loving owner! There couldn’t possibly be any danger there at all.

@vanillandhoney

Your link to those stats don't do anything to help your argument. 87% of all those US deaths were by bull breeds or Rottweilers. The majority bull breeds. There were 3 deaths by labs and a few by other breeds.

@Honeyhoops they clearly can’t read or just choose to see what they want to see. I’ve posted links too, some with solid facts about the breeds in question that are nothing short of terrifying. Nothing we say is going to get them to admit that we have a point.

[quote Honeyhoops]@vanillandhoney

Your link to those stats don't do anything to help your argument. 87% of all those US deaths were by bull breeds or Rottweilers. The majority bull breeds. There were 3 deaths by labs and a few by other breeds. [/quote]
Did you not read my post where I acknowledged exactly that?!