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Energy suppliers want powers to switch off electricity via smart meters

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Itsabeautifuldayheyhey · 17/09/2020 16:07

www.dailymail.co.uk/money/bills/article-8706033/Smart-meters-used-switch-electricity-without-warning-compensation.html

Wtf? Do you think this law would get through in the spring, enabling electricity to be switched off via smart meters in emergencies (where residents are using too much). Every household would need a 3rd generation smart meter and they would surely need to be made compulsory?

I'd be surprised if energy suppliers could manage to roll out 3rd generation smart meters to all households in a short space of time (especially as they haven't rolled 1st & 2nd generation out to all yet).

OP posts:
woodhill · 17/09/2020 19:03

Who does have these meters. We've avoided them so far as I haven't heard anything good about them

ramblingsonthego · 17/09/2020 19:04

@Toomanyradishes

I woder how they would understand and manage supply for medical equipment in homes? Having your fridge go off for an hour is one thing, a cpap machine is very different
They already have a priority and vulnerable list and I assume they would work from that.

I could see this coming with smart meters and have so far ignored all requests for us to have one put in.

CuriousFluff · 17/09/2020 19:06

How do you kill a smart meter?

RedRumTheHorse · 17/09/2020 19:10

@CuriousFluff

How do you kill a smart meter?
If you have a generation one smart meter simply change to a supplier who can't use it and it becomes a dumb meter.

Alternatively live in an area with a poor mobile phone signal due to geographical reasons.

Devlesko · 17/09/2020 19:13

They can't make them compulsory as they aren't suitable to every home.
We just refused to have one, had a feeling they were pushed as some sort of control method.
There's a local fitting company where all staff were made redundant, call handlers too. They kept the metre reading call centre side.

Devlesko · 17/09/2020 19:16

They cut cut us off anytime anyway, they don't need smart metres, certainly didn't in the 70's when it was sometimes a daily occurance.
I love the comments about fish tanks and showers, as if that would matter.

pigsDOfly · 17/09/2020 19:23

I decided from the start I'm not going to have one. Until and unless it becomes law I don't want one.

My supplier bugged me for ages: letters, telephone calls, over and over.

Eventually I managed to get across to someone who phoned me that I'm not going to have one no matter how much they nag me. I don't want one and regardless of what they say, I'm not obliged to have one. She told me that she would make a note of my wishes, and sure enough the letters and telephone calls stopped for some time.

They've started contacting me again recently.

My answer is the same.

CuriousFluff · 17/09/2020 19:23

@RedRumTheHorse we have one thanks to the previous home owner. We've just switched/are switching so fingers crossed. If the new company can still use it....how do I kill it?

Feellikedancingyeah · 17/09/2020 19:41

We won't have a smart meter. It won't benefit us at all and I think it's part of a bigger plan. N Power were pestering us constantly

RedRumTheHorse · 17/09/2020 20:00

[quote CuriousFluff]@RedRumTheHorse we have one thanks to the previous home owner. We've just switched/are switching so fingers crossed. If the new company can still use it....how do I kill it?[/quote]
You will have to do a Google search for other forums e.g. MSE as there are posts from people saying they switched from supplier X to supplier Y and the new supplier can't use the first generation smart meter so they have to give meter readings. So the meter becomes a dumb meter.

Also if you switch suppliers like a good money saver every 12-18 months it is very likely you will be able to find a new supplier who can't use it. Your only job is to ensure they don't replace it which is easier if the meters are inside your house or behind a locked door of done sort.

RedRumTheHorse · 17/09/2020 20:02

@Feellikedancingyeah

We won't have a smart meter. It won't benefit us at all and I think it's part of a bigger plan. N Power were pestering us constantly
British gas contacted me 6 months after I stopped being their customer to install a smart meter they were so desperate to get them installed.
CSIblonde · 17/09/2020 20:04

In emergencies? Using a lot isn't an emergency. Is what they really, mean us it's if you are in arrears with your bill? Transco told my neighbour they aren't allowed to cut you off if child or someone vulnerable is living there: so under 16, elderly, terminally ill, disabled, MH issues etc.

safariboot · 17/09/2020 20:18

Our electricity supply already has the ability to deliberately cut all power to some areas. Cutting off residential customers is the last resort though - there are major factories and suchlike that are first in line for "load shedding". Residential power cuts for load shedding have been rare in the UK, but you need only look at California for what can happen with inadequate government oversight.

Shutting off individual home devices has been talked about since smart meters were first mentioned, and I assumed it was the idea all along. I cannot imagine it being popular with people though. And implementing it in existing homes requires not just a meter change but also a new circuit breaker box, and in some homes would require rewiring. So I think at most it will be watered down to a requirement for new builds.

Such cuts are a step backwards and not necessary. More renewable and nuclear generation capacity, more capacity on the links with mainland Europe, more grid storage, invest in that and we can have a green grid that's just as reliable as a dirty one. But of course all that costs the energy companies money.

On the other hand what the cynical part of me does expect is "dynamic" electricity prices. You put your tumble dryer on when it's 10 pence a kilowatt hour, then half an hour later some opaque computer algorithm decides it's now 50 pence a kilowatt hour. That kind of thing.

veryvery · 17/09/2020 20:20

Strange. We've been looking at tariffs where at certain time they pay you, the customer, to use more! Because there is an overgeneration. We have an electric car so would charge then.

We have solar panels. So produce electricity which goes back to the grid if we don't use it ourselves. If cuts like that happened a lot we'd consider getting a house battery.

OpenlyGayExOlympicFencer · 17/09/2020 20:22

Colour me astounded.

Kaiserin · 17/09/2020 20:23

Good incentive to go off grid...

Caplin · 17/09/2020 20:25

This is smart grid technology and is very clever. But typical Daily Mail it makes it sound like end of days.

This is clearly only in extreme emergencies, but in the future it could see if cars/tech are fully charged and switch things off, switch off things when not being used, even switch your fridge off for an hour over night.

You save money, the grid can manage electricity flows, all better for the environment. Electricity can’t be stored at the moment, although we are working on batteries, so is often wasted.

Caplin · 17/09/2020 20:29

@Feellikedancingyeah

We won't have a smart meter. It won't benefit us at all and I think it's part of a bigger plan. N Power were pestering us constantly
They are legally obliged to ask you by Government, and are targeted and fined if they don’t install a certain number. Ever though smart meters don’t currently work north of Birmingham due to lack of signal.
Caplin · 17/09/2020 20:34

@WhoWouldHaveThoughtThat

I won't have a Smart meter as I believe that they will also the ability to charge a variable (higher) rate when demand is heavier - or whenever they like.
That is utter nonsense. You sign a contract for either a fixed or variable tariff. They can’t change it unless it is in your contract.
Caplin · 17/09/2020 20:36

@Toomanyradishes

I woder how they would understand and manage supply for medical equipment in homes? Having your fridge go off for an hour is one thing, a cpap machine is very different
There is a priority services register which already exists.
Iwantacookie · 17/09/2020 20:39

This is exactly why I wont have one.
I've heard this or "switching your tariff" to make it more expensive.
No thanks.

Caplin · 17/09/2020 20:42

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

Energy companies don’t make much profit on energy, if any. That is why the likes of SSE have offloaded their domestic supply arm. I say this as someone who has spent 10 years in the industry for both a big player and a small social enterprise energy company. All the taxes, regulations, distributions costs etc make it virtually impossible to make profit.

However they do make money from boiler servicing, selling appliance insurance, generating power, investing in community networks, local authority/housing contacts/small scale domestic renewables/small tech.

Caplin · 17/09/2020 20:44

@Iwantacookie

This is exactly why I wont have one. I've heard this or "switching your tariff" to make it more expensive. No thanks.
They can’t switch anything unless you are out of contract, then you go to variable rate. Just be organised and switch to another fix before the end of yours.
Iwantacookie · 17/09/2020 20:47

They cant yet.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 17/09/2020 23:19

I won't have a Smart meter as I believe that they will also the ability to charge a variable (higher) rate when demand is heavier - or whenever they like.

That is utter nonsense. You sign a contract for either a fixed or variable tariff. They can’t change it unless it is in your contract.

Of course they can't changhe your contract, but they could very easily only offer variable tariffs to switch to once your current deal has expired - and hike the price of the existing fixed ones so that nobody would want to/be able to afford to stay on them without switching one way or another. This is exactly what countless young drivers find with their car insurance - they either agree to a black box which varies what they pay according to safety of driving/number of miles driven/time of day of driving etc or otherwise go on the 'standard' non-telematics policy that costs a load more even than it does with the black box.

Energy companies don’t make much profit on energy, if any. That is why the likes of SSE have offloaded their domestic supply arm. I say this as someone who has spent 10 years in the industry for both a big player and a small social enterprise energy company. All the taxes, regulations, distributions costs etc make it virtually impossible to make profit.

Fair enough if that's been your experience, but I used to get bills from Eon that broke down where your bill money goes (presumably to counter complaints of profiteering) - 'For every £100 you pay us, £X goes to the refinery/power station who sell it to us, £X goes on distribution costs, £X goes on overheads and admin, £X goes on investment in infrastructure, £X goes to social schemes like Warmfront, £X goes to the government in tax etc.' IIRC, they claimed that about £6 out of that £100 would go to them as profit - 6% on that colossal turnover isn't bad at all, especially when the likes of Tesco supposedly only make half of that. I'd much rather make 1% profit on Eon's turnover than 99% on my local corner shop's turnover.

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