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Original poster

...if you were allowed to gamble like it was 2019?

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elmouno · 09/09/2020 19:32

If you were given the choice, would you just resume life as it was in 2019 and let everyone make their own choices?

YABU: People need these 2020 rules for their own good and must be forced to comply at all costs.

YANBU: This is all getting tiring now, and I would like to take my chances, just like I took my chances in 2019 with TB, pneumonia, flu, etc. Let me have my freedom and decide for myself what I feel comfortable with.

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CastleCrasher · 09/09/2020 19:39

Your options are massively skewed so I haven't voted. The measures aren't there for shits and giggles, but "forced to comply at all costs" is ridiculous. I willingly wear a mask, wfh more and sanitiser etc because I believe, having read the evidence for myself that it is for the greater good.

Original poster
elmouno · 09/09/2020 19:42

At what point will people not be forced to comply with the Marshalls? I don't think it's skewed.

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Original poster
elmouno · 09/09/2020 19:56

Also, people always took chances. The BCG vaccine was no longer standard since 2005. Why was that OK?

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Polnm · 09/09/2020 19:57

You mean gamble on line using credit cards? There were good reasons why that was stopped.

Have you considered gamblers anonymous?
Contact all of you online betting sites and tell them that you are at risk, they then have to limit your account

Original poster
elmouno · 09/09/2020 20:00

@Polnm

I'm not talking about credit cards, I'm talking going back to the old normal.

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AlrightTreacle · 09/09/2020 20:02

"just like I took my chances in 2019 with TB
( which I'm vaccinated against ),
pneumonia ( which I could get vaccinated against if I was high risk ),
flu ( which I get vaccinated against every year for my job )."

AlrightTreacle · 09/09/2020 20:04

"The BCG vaccine was no longer standard since 2005. Why was that OK?"

The BCG is no longer offered to children in secondary schools in the UK. It was replaced in 2005 with a targeted programme for babies, children and young adults at higher risk of TB.

This is because TB rates in this country are low in the general population.

TB is difficult to catch because this requires close contact with an infected person, usually over a long period of time.

For example, you're very unlikely to catch it by sitting or standing next to someone who's infected.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/bcg-tb-vaccine-questions-answers/#:~:text=The%20BCG%20is%20no%20longer,low%20in%20the%20general%20population.

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elmouno · 09/09/2020 20:05

@AlrightTreacle children aren't vaccinated against TB as standard anymore.

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aLilNonnyMouse · 09/09/2020 20:06

You can gamble with your own life all you want. You cannot gamble with other people's. When an illness has a very high number of asymptomatic carriers then risking getting it means you will very likely pass it on. Your rights end when they start affecting other people.

AlrightTreacle · 09/09/2020 20:08

@elmouno

I didn't say children were vaccinated against TB as standard, I said it was still given to them if they were at a higher risk of TB.

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elmouno · 09/09/2020 20:08

@aLilNonnyMouse

Pneumonia kills a lot of old people. Why did we not stop everything for that?

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DelilahfromDevon · 09/09/2020 20:10

I don’t have voting buttons for some reason, no idea why but YANBU, I’ll take my chances. I’d sooner we save the economy and let’s face it, cases may be rising but deaths aren’t.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 09/09/2020 20:10

I'd carry on as normal if I was allowed to.

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elmouno · 09/09/2020 20:15

@DelilahfromDevon

It's currently 58% YANBU and 42% YABU. I wanted to make a poll to see what the general Mumsnet opinion is since no one actually asks the public what they want.

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Sparklesocks · 09/09/2020 20:16

*YABU: People need these 2020 rules for their own good and must be forced to comply at all costs.

YANBU: This is all getting tiring now, and I would like to take my chances, just like I took my chances in 2019 with TB, pneumonia, flu, etc. Let me have my freedom and decide for myself what I feel comfortable with*

I think you’re oversimplifying it as your answers are extreme ends of the scale. I expect most people lie somewhere in the middle - very much wanting to get back to normal but understand there are some compromises that need to be made for now.

midgebabe · 09/09/2020 20:16

It's not your freedom, its the freedom of others ...remember those Italian hospitals having to refuse treatment to patients who normally they would help? The doctors and nurses now suffering stress, burnout and fear of the winter?

nosswith · 09/09/2020 20:18

I'd like proper rules not half hearted ones always introduced too late. Why not introduce 'the rule of six' tomorrow or Friday? The football season starts on Saturday and includes one of the most watched teams- so all down to the pub where social distancing and track and trace are not legally required until two days later.

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elmouno · 09/09/2020 20:18

@Sparklesocks

There is no middle anymore. There is apathy and the future where people lose their jobs, homes, and mental health over this. This isn't about slowing the spread anymore. It's nonstop.

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Brighterthansunflowers · 09/09/2020 20:19

YABU for posting ridiculous options for voting. There’s a huge spectrum from enforce rules at all costs to pretend like COVID doesn’t exist.

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elmouno · 09/09/2020 20:21

@Brighterthansunflowers

Did you vote on those rules or did they just appear? Don't kid yourself, there is no spectrum in this.

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ScubaSteven · 09/09/2020 20:21

How ridiculous OP, your actions have an impact on other people. I'm sure you'd be happy to take your chances but my family members with underlying health conditions certainly don't want to.

No one is enjoying this. But it's frightening that so many people are willing to make others take their chances by not following the rules.

Sparklesocks · 09/09/2020 20:22

@elmouno how very dramatic! I guess people don’t want their loved ones go get ill and are doing their best to negate that? But I don’t know anyone who is holed up at home - everyone I know is going back to work, going to shops and restaurants and pubs, going on short breaks. They’re just doing it with masks and social distancing.

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elmouno · 09/09/2020 20:26

@midgebabe

We have never held this perspective with the flu. Yes, there is a flu vaccine, but it doesn't vaccinate against all flu viruses. There was always risk. The risk with this was with hospitals being overwhelmed, but that is not what has happened. The current onslaught of unexpected rules will not stop even though the NHS is not overwhelmed.

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elmouno · 09/09/2020 20:29

@ScubaSteven

Do you really think all viruses current and in the future will be eradicated? Are we going to lockdown every time? This is ridiculous. People die. We cannot stop our own mortality.

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TooLittleTooLate80 · 09/09/2020 20:37

[quote elmouno]@ScubaSteven

Do you really think all viruses current and in the future will be eradicated? Are we going to lockdown every time? This is ridiculous. People die. We cannot stop our own mortality.[/quote]
Well given we haven't locked down on any previous viruses this might, just might, suggest Covid is a little bit different.

Its an interesting thread title but your voting options are ridiculously chalk and cheese as others have said.