AIBU To think if you took risk to go abroad you shout shut the f up and stop bitching if quarantined?

[mussymummy]

Simply thos, I am sick fed up of stories on the news of poor hard to people who have chosen to increase their and their loved ones covid risk by going abroad on holiday knowing the risks and now they are bleating to the press about how hard done by they are. You knew the risk so stop bitching about it?

The likely collapse of travel industry and airline industry and knock on impacts to retail and tourist industries jobs and financial
Input to the economy for what, fir the vast majority of people will be a mild illness, will be far more devastating than Covid itself
Quarantine is illogical especially when travelling back from places with lower rates than those you are returning to

As soon as Portugal came off the list my boss booked. He flew out on Sunday. He then changed flights and flew back last night to avoid quarantine. May I snigger?

Much of the quarantining is illogical (although planes do seem to be exellent conduits of the virus).

BUT people have had warning for at least six months that travelling around the world ain't the best thing to do at the moment and the quarantining rules are the icing on the cake.

I agree with pp that the British are Olympic gold medal winners at whingeing and entitlement. Leave everyone else in the starting blocks.

planes do seem to be exellent conduits of the virus

Apparently not, because the air in a pressurised cabin is constantly renewed and it's also very dry (which is better) There's more risk on a train.

Btw - I don't work for an airline! But I used to travel often for work. Thanks to covid I've now lost my job...

@StCharlotte

As soon as Portugal came off the list my boss booked. He flew out on Sunday. He then changed flights and flew back last night to avoid quarantine. May I snigger?

Yes snigger away. How nasty

The thing that is getting to me this morning is all the reports saying travellers are confused about Portugal. No, you live in ONE country, not the whole UK, so follow the rules of your country. Its not hard!

[quote swimlyn]@shinynewapple2020

If you want an even crapper year, try full-blown Covid-19.

Three deaths in three months for our extended family, and only one ‘vulnerable’.[/quote]

I'm sorry for your loss, but I'm not sure how this has got any relevance to what I was saying .

I don't think it should be a race to the bottom of who has had the worst year as nobody on here really knows another's circumstances .

Yes, everything is a risk now but I don't think anyone anticipated quite how quickly and frequently the advice would change.

This wilful ignorance of people is starting to become a more dangerous virus than Corona.

I read & watch the news, took notice of the local spikes in various parts of both the UK and the country I was hoping to travel to (to visit family). However, I am not a wilfully ignorant cuntpuffin and decided not to travel. A week later it was announced that a quarantine became mandatory on return.

It really isn't rocket science. If in doubt, err on the side of caution.

@Allington

They took a risk and it didn't pay off. No-one forced them to go, though I appreciate you wouldn't want to lose money.

I feel more sorry for the inhabitants of Lisbon and the Algarve, as the COVID spike is happening in the tourist areas. On the other hand, that was also a balancing of risks due to the need for employment and income.

Oh, is that right about the Algarve then ? Fair enough . What I had read in the week said that the Algarve was still low in respect to Covid cases .

@StCharlotte Wow! Finding others misfortunes funny is seriously sad.

What a spiteful way to think.

We were booked to go to France (booked well before pandemic), quarantine was announced the night before we were due to set off so we decided not to go as have two kids in school. Had the announcement not been made we would have gone! We drive there and even France cases have gone up I don't think we would have been in any more risk there (where we were suppose to go) than here.

I also think this government is shockingly incompetent and illogical and just make rules up as they go along. Everyone I have talked to that have been in France, Spain, Italy, Portugal all report that they have a MUCH better handling on spikes and managing the pandemic than Britain, mask wearing, testing, hygiene, restaurant management etc etc.

Oh, is that right about the Algarve then ? Fair enough . What I had read in the week said that the Algarve was still low in respect to Covid cases .

That's what I heard on Radio 4 this morning. I haven't fact checked, but they are generally fairly careful.

Cheeseandlobster

You're right I am being unkind - uncharacteristically so. And I wouldn't say it about anyone else. But he's been quite unpleasant lately so I'm afraid the schadenfreud can't be helped in this case.

I think you are being a bit unreasonable. Places like Canada have a much lower risk than the UK, yet require quarantine upon return. I am going to Canada in November to stay with family for 4 weeks, but will have to isolate for an additional 2 weeks when I come back, even though I am far more likely to contract Covid here.

YANBU. As soon as the Spain quarantine was imposed our European holiday looked risky. We tracked the rising cases for a week then moved the holiday to next year as it was obvious where it was going. I feel sorry for the the people caught in the Spain quarantine but anything since then can’t have come as a surprise.

@Yokohamajojo I was in Barcelona the first week they opened up and what I experienced was very different.

No social distancing in the bars and restaurants that we were in, masks neither indoors whilst not eating and drinking and socially distanced. Very few tourists and we certainly didn't hear a single English voice.

The taxi Driver who took us to the Airport didn't wear a mask and then proceeded to try and shake my hand whilst giving DH a pat on the back!

From what I saw and experienced I am not in the least surprised that they have had a rise cases.

Other countries are just as bad as the UK in some parts but the media don't report that, just blame the tourists and not the locals.

I must admit though it did feel so good to be experiencing our old normal for just a couple of days!

On one level you're right but I'm very reluctant to let go of the pre Covid lifestyle because I don't want to give this government even the slightest hint that I might find their incompetence ok or might be ready to settle for this degraded lifestyle that we're all expected to embrace. I will keep demanding and expecting better from them.

Absolutely this. We have to do better.

Not knowing their individual circumstances, it wouldn't be my place to comment.

The problem seems to be, many areas of this pandemic, that individuals think the UK (or devolved) governments can cater for individual circumstances. BUT WHAT ABOUT ME!?!? i went to a safe area in France, we didn't see anyone, my flight was due to get in one hour after quarantine will be imposed. Etc etc.

Of course they fucking can't. How complex would that be? Ridiculous. Of course there has to be blanket rules that cover the majority of instances.

I agree OP. Travel all you like but don't moan if you have to quarantine. You don't come across as particularly clever.

I support travel because I used to work in the industry pre Covid and am now without a job and the whole industry is dying fast.
But, it has to be said when you look globally at the countries that have got a really good grip on the Covid situation in their countries, they've all has closed borders with VERY strict laws on who can travel in and out. As a result they care now living alit free-er lives than us, albeit very restricted on foreign travel. We seem to be stuck in some middle limbo. Normal life limping along with endless restrictions, local lockdown, reduced services etc and travel subject to change so quck no one knows what's what from one day to the next.
Closing the borders in a similar manner would never work here in the UK, the wingers capital of the world, though.

I don't think travel bans should have been lifted at all and will grit my teeth until however long I can go abroad and back to see my family in Ireland.

However, I don't think it's fair that such little notice is being given to people already abroad and the confusion in the different rules is just awful!

We've got greek flights next week. Too one of the more low key islands that hasnt had cases. We booked last week knowing the risk. If its cancelled we get money back. I won't be moaning. But I hope we get to go. Love a bit of late summer in Greece

@PamDemic

There was loads of.people.whingeing on the news. Someone on my local.news saying it was "Discustin".