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The Disunited States of Trump (Trump Thread #104)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 02/09/2020 14:25

Trump used manipulation and race-baiting four years ago. He’s at it again. We are weary and worried but we shall persist.

Cartoon by Chris Riddell.

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The Disunited States of Trump (Trump Thread #104)
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Lweji · 07/09/2020 08:18

According to my son, "Trump is a traitor" was trending last night.

He didn't offer more info, but I'm sure it can't be particularly good for Trump.

lionheart · 07/09/2020 10:57

Hi Jai. Smile

I think the stories about his attitude to the military have more traction than usual because his track record on this topic. It's a cumulative thing -- pleasingly so because so often in the past he seems to have got away with stuff because the news cycle has moved on or another outrage has occured.

lionheart · 07/09/2020 11:09

Meandering is trending because Trump too a slightly scenic route to a helicoptor.

His minders and enablers are going to have to pay more attention to how and if he gets from A to B.

lionheart · 07/09/2020 11:19

The meandering trend is another own goal by the Trump campaign. It was used to describe Biden who, on a visit to his son's grave, chose not to respond to the reporters who called out to him but continued on his way.

PerkingFaintly · 07/09/2020 11:38

Meandering? It's like they don't know what the word means, but know it's a "bad thing" that gets applied to Trump... so randomly accuse the other guy of it.

Actually I've noticed humans particularly Trumpies do this knee-jerk reversal a lot. Perfect own goal in this case.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 07/09/2020 12:20

Dictionary? They probably don't know what one of those is, let alone be able to look up meandering and use it correctly in a sentence.

TheSparklyPussycat · 07/09/2020 13:25

Is there a meandering video around which is longer than 12 seconds? One which shows it start to finish, ending with Trump at the helicopter?

Lweji · 07/09/2020 13:54

This is the meandering Trump full clip.
He was waiting for Melania and points the puddle to her, then they both head to the helicopter.
And it's at the WH.

It is a better example of meandering, but it doesn't really look like disorientation.

www.c-span.org/video/?463321-1/president-trump-speaks-reporters-heading-dayton-el-paso

Lweji · 07/09/2020 13:55

His campaign fully deserve the clip, though, after what they did with Biden at the church.

AcrossthePond55 · 07/09/2020 15:27

I'm hoping the 'Trump disrespects the military' will be the 'issue that never dies' for the next 2 months. I just wish the sources would stand up and say "I heard it myself" rather than remain 'anonymous sources confirmed with various media outlets'. I can understand if the 'sources' are current govt employees or otherwise stand to lose their livelihoods. But if it was Kelly or Mattis what do they have to lose? They're both retired, both in good standing with the American People.

56 days until Election Day (we're inside 2 months now, everyone!!!)

135 days until Inauguration Day

AcrossthePond55 · 07/09/2020 15:31

@Lweji

His campaign fully deserve the clip, though, after what they did with Biden at the church.
That tweet was absolutely disgusting. And absolutely authorized by the campaign to try to draw fire away from Scrotus.
Lweji · 07/09/2020 15:49

But if it was Kelly or Mattis what do they have to lose?

People like Fauci have received death threats. I'm sure many people wouldn't be looking forward to that. Never mind the media attention.

AcrossthePond55 · 07/09/2020 17:48

@Lweji

But if it was Kelly or Mattis what do they have to lose?

People like Fauci have received death threats. I'm sure many people wouldn't be looking forward to that. Never mind the media attention.

Good point.
TheSparklyPussycat · 07/09/2020 19:52

But why did Trump walk to the only puddle in the road? And why would Melania not be able to see puddles all by herself?

He could have emulated Sir Waler Raleigh by whipping his jacket off and putting it down over the puddle...

TheSparklyPussycat · 07/09/2020 19:53

*Walter

Lweji · 07/09/2020 20:08

@TheSparklyPussycat

But why did Trump walk to the only puddle in the road? And why would Melania not be able to see puddles all by herself?

He could have emulated Sir Waler Raleigh by whipping his jacket off and putting it down over the puddle...

I'm surprised you have to ask. Because he could see his reflection in the puddle. Narcissus like. Grin
TheSparklyPussycat · 07/09/2020 20:17
Grin It's obvious now you say it!
lionheart · 08/09/2020 01:32

Here's another explanation.

The Disunited States of Trump (Trump Thread #104)
user1471565182 · 08/09/2020 05:02

Knowing Mattis (who I weirdly have some respect for) he takes the idea of generals not fiddling in politics very seriously. Even then he wrote a pretty damning statement in June after trumps pathetic little church photo op.-

''WASHINGTON — Former Secretary of Defense James Mattis ripped into his former boss President Donald Trump in a scathing Wednesday night statement.

“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us,” Mattis wrote in a statement published by The Atlantic. “We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership,” he wrote, adding that he “watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled.”

Mattis’ statement comes as the nation braces for the ninth day of protests sparked by the police killing of George Floyd. Floyd died after a Minneapolis police officer knelt on his neck for nearly nine minutes.

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The ensuing civil unrest, some of which turned violent, prompted Trump to call for governors to use harsher tactics and greater force when confronting protesters.

On a Monday call with state governors, a recording of which was obtained by NBC News, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper told states “to dominate the battle space” when dealing with the demonstrations. Trump also said on the same call that he was putting the nation’s highest-ranking military officer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff U.S. Army Gen. Mark Milley “in charge” of protest response efforts.

Mattis, who resigned from the Trump administration in December 2018, criticized Esper’s terminology.

“We must reject any thinking of our cities as a ‘battlespace’ that our uniformed military is called upon to ’dominate,” he explained. “Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part.”

On Wednesday, Esper told reporters at the Pentagon that he was using military lexicon but regretted using the term.

Mattis also took issue with a Monday night incident in which protestors were forcibly cleared from Lafayette Square, a small park in front of the president’s residence.

“The words ‘Equal Justice Under Law’ are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind,” Mattis explained.

Trump walked through the square with several members of his Cabinet to stand in front of St. John’s Church while holding a Bible and posing for photographs. He later motioned to members of his Cabinet to join him for more pictures.

Esper, who has previously said he would preserve the U.S. military’s apolitical nature, entered the frame and stood alongside Trump for the photo op. In a Tuesday night interview with NBC News, Esper said: “I didn’t know where I was going” when asked about the highly criticized photo opportunity. “I thought I was going to do two things: to see some damage and to talk to the troops.”

President Donald Trump walks with US Attorney General William Barr (L), US Secretary of Defense Mark T. Esper (C), Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark A. Milley (R), and others from the White House to visit St. John's Church after the area was clea
President Donald Trump walks with US Attorney General William Barr (L), US Secretary of Defense Mark T. Esper (C), Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark A. Milley (R), and others from the White House to visit St. John’s Church after the area was cleared of people protesting the death of George Floyd June 1, 2020, in Washington, DC.
Brendan Smialowski | AFP via Getty Images
“We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation,” Mattis added.

“We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution.”

Trump fired back in a Wednesday night tweet by saying, he “had the honor of firing Jim Mattis, the world’s most overrated General.” He continued by saying that he “didn’t like his “leadership” style or much else about him.”

“Glad he is gone!”

(Mattis in fact resigned in protest)

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 08/09/2020 07:57

@Lweji

His campaign fully deserve the clip, though, after what they did with Biden at the church.
I didn't know what you meant by that, @Lweji, so googled and came up with this, from August:

apnews.com/afs:Content:9202741974

Is that what you are referring to, or is it the more recent heckling of Biden "meandering" whilst he visited his son's grave that @lionheart mentioned earlier in the thread (hi, there, @lionheart, thanks for all the fish Grin)?

(I'm sorry for my confusion making me slow, we are trying to move countries in the middle of a pandemic and it's quite stressful.)

Heffalooomia · 08/09/2020 13:05

mobile.twitter.com/Midmomel/status/1303035622861549568
Something flew out of his nose 😶

Lweji · 08/09/2020 13:56

@Jaichangecentfoisdenom
I did mean the clip of Biden visiting his son's grave, but they've been running such a fake video campaign that they do deserve all the doctored or cut videos that go their way. Except that it doesn't look good for the Democrats to do it. Hmm

lionheart · 08/09/2020 17:58

thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/515453-sturgis-motorcycle-rally-was-superspreading-event-that-cost-public#.X1e3u8dXO8s.twitter

'The Sturgis motorcycle rally in South Dakota last month was a coronavirus “superpreading event” that cost public health agencies $12.2 billion, according to a new study by the IZA Institute of Labor Economics.

The study tracked anonymized cellphone data from the rally that showed “smartphone pings from non-residents” and “foot traffic at restaurants and bars, retail establishments, entertainment venues, hotels and campgrounds each rose substantially.” Stay-at-home hours for local residents fell at the same time.'

AcrossthePond55 · 08/09/2020 18:02

For any US Citizen expats on these threads:

travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/while-abroad/voting.html

www.fvap.gov

From the Dept of State link:

"IMPORTANT: U.S. citizens abroad must submit a new FPCA each year to vote in U.S. elections. Submit your FPCA at the beginning of the calendar year, or at least 45 days before an election"

55 days until Election Day

AcrossthePond55 · 08/09/2020 18:04

[quote Lweji]@Jaichangecentfoisdenom
I did mean the clip of Biden visiting his son's grave, but they've been running such a fake video campaign that they do deserve all the doctored or cut videos that go their way. Except that it doesn't look good for the Democrats to do it. Hmm[/quote]
I hear you.

But sometimes you have to replace "they go low, we go high" with 'fight fire with fire". Sigh. Politics is a dirty business.

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