Marus Rushford - AIBU?

[Pr1mr0se]

it's admirable that he feels he can raise the topic of school meals and poverty and the campaign seems to be growing wings with the food alliance HOWEVER AIBU to think that given that he is an extremely wealthy footballer with many footballer contacts in similar positions that they should be putting their money where their mouth is, so to speak too?

Replace 'furlough' with 'on state benefits' and you get hurty feelz though in Islington.

YABVVVU

Why the vitriol towards a man from a similar background trying to help and undo the government's devastating policies.

In the 6th richest country in the world, a third of children are growing up in poverty and food insecure households.

Does making fun of Marcus and putting him down make you feel better? Does it give you a jail out of free card for voting for the government that is literally starving children?

Leave the man alone.

@RunningAwaywiththeCircus
You’ve clearly forgot where you came from and lost your empathy on the way.
Imagine you have no savings and as of tomorrow you have no income, no house to sell/remortgage, no borrowing capacity, how long will you be able to feed your kids?
Do you consider parents with MH issues, struggling to get through every day, unable to access help? children of addicts? victims of DA living is temp accommodation?
To come from your background and vote Tory is deplorable and selfish.

This is an intriguing thread and I tend to agree with the original poster that there is seemingly much virtual signalling from high profile high net worth types in relation to charity, welfare and wellness. I am indifferent as to whether the whole concept of free entitlement to be constantly begging for free handsouts paid for be someone else as there is never a free lunch nor seemingly never enough. The UK is although still possibly a top 10 world wealthiest nation is current under very challenging Brexvid times with these two unfortunate attacks on our combined general wellbeing. When one makes a superficial international analysis with comparable neighbouring nations we will understand how generous the UK welfare state is with complimentary housing (for life in some cases) and free lifelong healthcare insurance and education. Do people think this is over generous already and hence we should be more in line with say USA more capitalist free market standards or conversely should we majority wealth creators and productive working and tax contributing members pay more taxation and go for even more Scandinavian style welfare state? The world is full of choices and diversity as we are not in a Marxist communist "equality" society. In certain UK demographics you may be surprised how some benefits are spent! I think with Brexit independence we individually should if possible and with aspiration study harder, learn to be next level, earn more to contribute more and look more to ourselves and to offer to help others and not look for others to help us! Going back to the core of this thread - sure high profile rich sports people and all other celebs and royals etc should lead by example and share their own riches amongst those more in need. Otherwise it can seemingly appear a bit contradictory and possibly viewed as rich asking the middle hard working less well off regular folk to chip in for the poor? We can't all kick a football around for millions paid for by poor fans!

@RunningAwaywiththeCircus

Of course they don’t, they live in their bubble of prep schools, well paid husbands and coffee morning, voting Tory 😡

Well yes, that’s me now to a tee. It just happens that I had a feckless/absent, non-paying father, grew up in a council house and received FSM.

That’s why I think it’s optimum for parents to take responsibility. Because it’s their job. Not the state’s, not anyone else. I find it VERY hard to accept that there is a sizeable chunk of parents who can’t afford to feed their own kids regularly. Relatively speaking, benefits are more generous and food is cheaper, than ever before.

It’s a no-win situation because saying “it’s parents’ responsibility to feed kids” is simply a factual statement and yet it makes people on the left positively ululate about the uncaring rich. We paid well over £100k in tax last year for various reasons, so I’m willing to bet I’ve paid for more dinners than most.

Not more than me. Our household tax bill last year exceeded £400K. I grew up in circumstances similar to MR, except that my parents were not the loving kind, like his mum. I'd gladly see every penny of that £400K spent on children to stop them starving . Because I am not a heartless dick.

Yeah, this shower of bastards in government who are (in no particular order, and off the top of my head):

• Starving poor kids
• Paying the working poor an inadequate amount to isolate (so they won’t!)
• Putting more strategy and cash into keeping Wagamama and Pizza Hut in business than they are into adequately testing NHS staff for Covid
• Fucking up the Covid exam result system and blaming their own incompetence on a “mutant algorithm”
• Keeping a man at the heart of government who went on a 30mile drive to test his eyesight
• Refusing to invest in online learning and instead pushing all of their energy into cramming our kids back into poorly ventilated classrooms during a global pandemic that’s very likely passed through aerosol transmission
• Happily presiding over the highest rate of Covid deaths in Europe

and Marcus Rashford is the problem.

I think not.

@RunningAwaywiththeCircus

Of course they don’t, they live in their bubble of prep schools, well paid husbands and coffee morning, voting Tory 😡

Well yes, that’s me now to a tee. It just happens that I had a feckless/absent, non-paying father, grew up in a council house and received FSM.

That’s why I think it’s optimum for parents to take responsibility. Because it’s their job. Not the state’s, not anyone else. I find it VERY hard to accept that there is a sizeable chunk of parents who can’t afford to feed their own kids regularly. Relatively speaking, benefits are more generous and food is cheaper, than ever before.

It’s a no-win situation because saying “it’s parents’ responsibility to feed kids” is simply a factual statement and yet it makes people on the left positively ululate about the uncaring rich. We paid well over £100k in tax last year for various reasons, so I’m willing to bet I’ve paid for more dinners than most.

Yes we’re all very impressed with your wealth, don’t worry your certificate is in the post.

Of course in an ideal world parents should take responsibility, but the fact is there is an enormous amount of poverty in this country so it’s not always as simple as that. What do you propose we do exactly, let children starve? It’s all very well chastising parents but the fact is it’s the kids who suffer. If you find it very hard to believe there are many families struggle then clearly you live a very sheltered, privileged life. Here’s some reading to get you started:

fullfact.org/economy/poverty-uk-guide-facts-and-figures/

www.jrf.org.uk

I'm more disgusted that in the 10 years since he first joined man United (a year early at age 11) there are more children in poverty.
Hes stood up and called the government out on their selfish money grabbing ways hurting our precious children.
How can you fault him for trying to make sure no child ever goes hungry?

If this is part of some media campaign to discredit this man because he is a young working class footballer who challenged the government , please stop wasting your time.
Leave this young man alone and allow him to continue with his campaign.

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia Is that you, Melania? Put some paragraph breaks in your autocue, there's a love.

It's Marcus. Rashford. Marcus Rashford.You've got a lot of opinions about a man whose name you can't even get right

This.

[quote JamieLeeCurtains]@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia Is that you, Melania? Put some paragraph breaks in your autocue, there's a love.[/quote]
Thanks for reading anyway Donald!

Soo....RunningAwayWiththeCircus you were in receipt of FSM and yet simultaneously "find it VERY hard to accept" that some parents " can't afford to feed their kids". Why did you get FSM then?

So what's your excuse for not even bothering to spell his name correctly, OP?

As the mother of a black teenager who is an avid football fan, I'm very pleased to see the emergence of such intelligent and proactive young men such as Marcus Rashford.

We should also not forget that the provision of free school meals in the holidays is not a new issue. Children qualify for FSM for a reason. What do people think happens in those families in the summer? Its probably what tips lot into needing food banks.

’Soo....RunningAwayWiththeCircus you were in receipt of FSM and yet simultaneously "find it VERY hard to accept" that some parents " can't afford to feed their kids". Why did you get FSM then?’

And since then there have been huge cuts to the welfare system including removing any benefits for third and subsequent children.

@RunningAwaywiththeCircus

there is an enormous amount of poverty in this country so it’s not always as simple as that.

I’m sorry that you don’t appear to understand the meaning of relative poverty. Unless we confiscate everything and go with UBI, that “poverty” will continue to exist.

And I am using quotation marks because it’s not uniformly poverty in any meaningful sense.

I understand it perfectly fine honeybun, I just also understand the reality of the country we live in.

Who knew ‘not wanting children to go hungry’ was such a radical stance?

From the Children’s Society

*’Almost a third of children in the UK live in poverty – that’s around nine in the average classroom.

The situation is getting worse, with the number set to rise to five million by 2020.

Shockingly, two thirds of children living in poverty have at least one parent in work.

Thousands more families are living on the cusp of the poverty line. One unexpected setback - like redundancy or illness - could push them into the poverty trap.’*

Then add the Covid lockdown.

The state needs to intervene before we can accept a system where parents can take responsibility for their kids

• mental health funding needs to improve so people struggling can be found and helped quickly. It's too easy to fall between the cracks and months become years.

• Non Resident Parents need to be pursued for Child Maintenance. No more allowing loopholes like self employment to shirk paying for your child. It's far too easy for NRP to create more children and move on leaving Resident Parents shouldering the cost

• Childcare for disabled children needs to be available and affordable. Weekend childcare is also needed so lone parents can work

• Social Services needs to be better funded so children aren't free carers anymore.

Would people peddling the reckless parent call working people needing food banks
reckless or agree that something is badly wrong with the system and £45 per fortnight is cheaper than tackling the root causes?

I understand it may be a surprise to find a caring footballer at Manchester United, so let's appreciate his raising the matter and be supportive.

Unlike some other Manchester United current and former players:
Wayne Rooney visiting prostitutes
Ryan Giggs affair with his brother's wife and trying to silence Imogen Thomas
Paul Pogba going out in London and catching Covid 19
Harry Maguire convicted of serious charges in a Greek court, and then making up a tall story to the BBC instead of silently awaiting his appeal.

The House of Commons bars and canteens benefitted from over £3m of taxpayer subsidies. I bet there's a lot more bullshit like this that could be spent better.