To think going on holiday at the moment is selfish and unnecessary

[OverTheRainbow88]

I think it’s totally unnecessary and selfish for people to go abroad on holiday at the moment. I’m not talking about people that need to go abroad for other reasons, such as ,work or to see ill relatives etc. I think getting our children back to school trumps a holiday.
However, lots of family and friends are going away abroad for holidays, do others agree with me or am I being unreasonable?

@MrsMcMuffins

Schools are going back but the virus is not gone, so maybe Disneyland can wait for now?

I assume that was aimed at me? If you read my post properly you would see that my eldests school has been opened for weeks now (we live in Scotland)

@shineynewapple

We were in Madeira so not sure if it applies to mainland Portugal as well or not.

I went on holiday to Italy. The shops, tourist sites, restaurants, etc. were desperate for tourism business, having had no help from their government. The rate of infection was lower than here, so if there was any increased risk it was to them, not the UK, and they were choosing to invite visitors. Hygiene and social distancing were much more scrupulously enforced and compliance was pretty much 100%.

I totally agree - in my child’s class there is currently - one family in the states, 3 families holidaying in Greece, 1 in the canaries and 1 in Croatia. That’s only the ones that I know of. They are back this week ready for school on Thursday. My child won’t be going back for another week because of these families who through their selfish actions have increased the infection risk with air travel.

@Toomuchtrouble4me I think a holiday abroad is exactly what you need, you sound very uptight.

We're going to Portugal tomorrow. Two adults, may have to quarantine when we get back and we will.

@Toomuchtrouble4me

I totally agree - in my child’s class there is currently - one family in the states, 3 families holidaying in Greece, 1 in the canaries and 1 in Croatia. That’s only the ones that I know of. They are back this week ready for school on Thursday. My child won’t be going back for another week because of these families who through their selfish actions have increased the infection risk with air travel.

You can always home school. People will always travel. Are you going to keep your children off of school every time you hear of somebody travelling?

[quote userxx]@Toomuchtrouble4me I think a holiday abroad is exactly what you need, you sound very uptight.[/quote]
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I admit while I've tried to not be judgy about it all I have been shocked a friend who is a NHS nurse and another who is a teacher have just in the last fortnight gone away to France and Greece respectively. I keep thinking of the people they are putting at risk, including their children, grandparents and ultimately everyone they come in contact with now they are home/heading home.

Also for those saying some countries have lower rates than the UK, please remember you have to get to/from those countries and travel as we know is a huge risk. That's how spread started in the first place. Plus you are exposing some countries with low rates to risk too.

I have no issue with people staying in the UK on hols, but to go abroad right now seems so entitled.

@Anonincase weather you travel abroad or UK it’s still a risk. The same risk! Since Borris cannot seem to pull it together...I am not surprised people have come back from their holidays feeling refreshed and pleased they went. Do you know the state of mental health COVID-19 had on your “nurse friend” worry about that!

Also UK breaks are really expensive and in high demand! I tried to book centre parcs for October and it’s fully booked!

I know it's complicated @Backtobasics5 looking at all the stats it just feels this just isn't the time for international travel. Far too many risks.

@Anonincase - if you have no issue with people travelling and holidaying within the UK, given your views on travelling and holidaying elsewhere, I think your comprehension of how the virus spreads is severely limited. Don’t forget, Donald Trump made a big show of closing the US borders to foreign travel, and covid 19 is spreading like wildfire there. If you want to be neurotic about it, then think of all those “entitled“ people who did eat out to help out on Monday and then sent their kids into school, today... Or, alternatively, you could stop judging others on the basis of your limited comprehension of the virus and just accept that people who follow the guidelines and do what they are entitled to do are not being any more “entitled” than anyone else.

I’ve just been on holiday. We have to quarantine now (came in while we were away) so won’t be spreading anything. But even without quarantine, the part of the country we visited has a quarter of the Covid rate of the part of the uk we’ve returned too. Lockdown was hard, DH nearly died, we wanted a break and risks of us bringing anything back are minimal (as are risks of us spreading Covid abroad given we’ve had it in April). Holidays are no more selfish than, for instance, eating out, if areas visited are chosen carefully, masks worn and hygiene observed.

I keep wondering about the recycled air in planes. Remember that lady who was so badly affected by someone else eating nuts on a flight that she became disabled? Will masks stop airborne particles (sorry if that’s the wrong term- I’m not a scientist) from getting into people’s systems? What about through the eyes? What about those who can’t wear masks? I’m not deliberately being dim- I once contracted a virus after being spat at straight in the eye, although I concede that I may have breathed some of it in before my face was wiped.

Is there anyone more knowledgeable than me (don’t trample me in the stampede ) who can answer those questions?

@Imissmoominmama - the air in aeroplanes is drawn in from outside through the engines and is filtered through HEPA filters fine enough to trap virus particles. Every few minutes the air is being replaced with outside air, which comes from above your head and is replaced below. Obviously you are still sitting in close proximity to other people, but the vast majority of people on the plane with you are not in close proximity. The air in an aeroplane is therefore far safer than, eg, in a restaurant with air conditioning that is just cooling the same air that is already in the room, and safer than a taxi or other form of public transport. It is not going to protect you from sitting right next to someone with covid 19, of course, but replacement of air every few minutes is pretty good.

@Anonincase

I know it's complicated *@Backtobasics5* looking at all the stats it just feels this just isn't the time for international travel. Far too many risks.

It’s swings and roundabouts because the travel industry will loose a lot of money if nobody got on a plane at all. I can understand some people would not want to travel I wouldn’t blame them. To moan about what others are doing is sour grapes.

Not much in it with 53% and 47%

Adults can undertake their own benefits versus risks assessment, and I'll undertake mine. That is really all there is to it.

YANBU to feel annoyed with everyone holidaying in a manner you frown on, but it's a waste of energy. Your disapproval is hardly going to stop them going.

Aeroplanes air filtration systems hell of a lot better than a (crowded( pub or restaurant . I may be over cautious by but I would not go to a crowded pub or restaurant in the UK but would be ok with a flight

I have no issue with people staying in the UK on hols, but to go abroad right now seems so entitled

Eh?

Super spreaders in packed UK holiday hot spots seems super entitled - going abroad , probably less so, particularly given the precautions a number of overseas countries take

More risk going away in the UK with people ignoring social distancing and crowding into popular areas.

I agree!

Aeroplanes air filtration systems hell of a lot better than a (crowded( pub or restaurant

Particularly when all the passengers have had a negative cv test result before being allowed on board.

But why should people without kids give a shit about your children going to school? Your child going to school doesn’t trump their holiday.

@Cassilis

My kids aren’t actually of school age... but in answer to your question when you are retired and elderly these ‘kids’ will be your doctors, nurses, carers, dentists, super market workers, lawyers, MPs, prime minister... you get my gist.