To think going on holiday at the moment is selfish and unnecessary

[OverTheRainbow88]

I think it’s totally unnecessary and selfish for people to go abroad on holiday at the moment. I’m not talking about people that need to go abroad for other reasons, such as ,work or to see ill relatives etc. I think getting our children back to school trumps a holiday.
However, lots of family and friends are going away abroad for holidays, do others agree with me or am I being unreasonable?

@MrsMcMuffins

Schools are going back but the virus is not gone, so maybe Disneyland can wait for now?

Well then, go ahead and don't go to Disney. You do you. Others will do themselves.

I'm at an all inclusive resort in Kos at the moment.

It's lovely. Great Covid precautions.

I've also been to Kos town for a few meals. It's absolutely dead there. No government bailouts. They need tourists.

I haven't got a lot of sympathy for the Tui plane passengers fuming about the lack of good mask practice aboard the plane. Isn't that the risk you run? That you're stuck in a metal tube with a load of people who either think, or want to pretend that the virus is over/is a myth, or that really don't give a single, solitary. . . fig.

I find it really hard to argue with “I do as I like” brigade because it’s so far from my way of thinking and behaving.

@MrsMcMuffins

Schools are going back but the virus is not gone, so maybe Disneyland can wait for now?

There will be no SD in the classroom so I think you might as well get used to it.

@MrsMcMuffins

I find it really hard to argue with “I do as I like” brigade because it’s so far from my way of thinking and behaving.

That's fine as a lot of people don't get to argue in the first place. They just want to chunter along.

Well, we booked our trip pre covid. We would have lost £5k if we'd not gone. It was our first trip abroad with children, 8 & 11. We had a awesome time, enjoyed every minute. Glad we went and got our of our very popular tourist packed home area for two weeks.

@SummerPoppies

I returned from a holiday abroad last week. No quarantine required. I'm going abroad again next month after bagging a bargain. I can't work up the energy to be bothered about what an internet random thinks about it.

This 😂

@MrsMcMuffins

I find it really hard to argue with “I do as I like” brigade because it’s so far from my way of thinking and behaving.

No one flying aboard for a holiday is doing anything wrong. Legally or morally.

So my question is who put you in charge? You can't make your own rules up and then moan at others for not following them.

I have had 5 holidays cancelled this year. I take all Covid measures. I also work from home so I can quarantine if I need too.

If people stop travelling altogether there will be tens of thousands of job loses in the travel industry

Each to their own, I personally wouldn't go abroad. I don't want to fly as no space between passengers. Wearing a mask on a plane would be horrid and having to quarantine.

RunningfromInsanity

I'm with you. Same, but not front line. Steep bloody learning curve, I'm normally mental health. Puts a different perspective on things, doesn't it?

Can people please stop saying they have lost money? No one has 'lost' money in the sense it has been stolen, or actually been misplaced. Yes, it is incredibly frustrating and disappointing. Yes, people need something to look forward to. But let's not equate paying for an experience/event you didn't get with loss. It is not loss of income, or loss of livelihood, or loss of the major breadwinner through death or illness.

It is not just about deaths. Some previously healthy ppl are still suffering the after effects of the virus months later. Specialist speech therapy. Physiotherapy. Trauma. Lifelong effects are still becoming more understood.

Don't try and tell me about mental health effects, people 'needing a holiday'. I volunteer with those with enduring mental health difficulties - that group of society most likely to live in poverty, least able to afford a holiday in any circumstances. 🙄

Really struggling with some of the attitudes. I don't have a problem with economy/business restarting. I have a problem with complacency, with 'I don't care, doesn't affect me', with 'I don't believe it, msm is lies', with the very small things, relatively, ppl are being asked to do and just can't be arsed.

Sad really.

Can people please stop saying they have lost money? No one has 'lost' money in the sense it has been stolen, or actually been misplaced. Yes, it is incredibly frustrating and disappointing. Yes, people need something to look forward to. But let's not equate paying for an experience/event you didn't get with loss. It is not loss of income, or loss of livelihood, or loss of the major breadwinner through death or illness.

What word would be appropriate then? I think most people understand the different contexts of the same word used in the English language.

@PourMeADrink

Can people please stop saying they have lost money? No one has 'lost' money in the sense it has been stolen, or actually been misplaced. Yes, it is incredibly frustrating and disappointing. Yes, people need something to look forward to. But let's not equate paying for an experience/event you didn't get with loss. It is not loss of income, or loss of livelihood, or loss of the major breadwinner through death or illness.

What word would be appropriate then? I think most people understand the different contexts of the same word used in the English language.

Well yeah

Its a loss of money surely

I had the money

I no longer have the money

I ‘lost’ the money

For all those saying our holiday destination has fewer cases compared to the UK, do you have no qualms then about tourists bringing the virus to those countries?

@Sorberret

For all those saying our holiday destination has fewer cases compared to the UK, do you have no qualms then about tourists bringing the virus to those countries?

If those countries didn't want tourists they could make everyone quarantine on arrival like others have done.

Given that they haven't why should someone not travel?

Moral conscience?

@Sorberret

Moral conscience?

But that is you putting a 'moral' rule on something that doesn't have one.

I am sure lots of hotels, businesses etc would like money to stay afloat, pay their bills and feed themselves. If they don't they could close.

@cologne4711 Italy closed their flights to China AFTER a massive influx of Wuhan immigrants returned to the factories in Northern Italy following Chinese New Year taking a large dose of COVID with them...

Is 'loss of a paid service/product' any better for you oldstripeyNEWname1?

I pay for something using earned money.
I get nothing in return.
Therefore I have lost something - money or the experience, or service/product, surely?

www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/lost

Would is not come under definition 6 of this?
If you describe something as lost, you mean that you no longer have it or it no longer exists.

I have lost money as it was in my account and it now no longer exists, and I received nothing in return.
Or would you prefer that I lost my holiday 'experience;, as that no longer exists despite being paid for.

The word lost or loss has several meanings.

I have added a couple more - relevant meanings as to why loss, lose, lost may be applicable in this way - being deprived of the experience and the money, cannot recover the money or the experience.

Loss doesn't have to just refer to events such as a death. It doesn't only equate to the big events of one's lives. Let's face it - I can have lost a 1p coin and it is still a valid definition as saying I lost every penny in my bank account.

Wow! What it must be to be as perfect as BillywilliamV and her friend (the only person to have PTSD from Covid and NEED a holiday overseas). I'm sure we'll never know ...

@PourMeADrink
Travel if you want- legally nothing is stopping you. What I find funny, almost hypocritical sometimes, is how everyone is coming up with reasons to justify it. We know travelling spreads the virus but people will continue to go on holiday unless they are told not to

Yawn.

[quote Sorberret]@PourMeADrink
Travel if you want- legally nothing is stopping you. What I find funny, almost hypocritical sometimes, is how everyone is coming up with reasons to justify it. We know travelling spreads the virus but people will continue to go on holiday unless they are told not to[/quote]
I have cancelled my holiday abroad because it is too much hassle.

But I don't criticise others for going.

I’m in France currently after having driven here. I’ll be here for possibly four weeks and I’ll have two weeks quarantine on return. What’s it to you?