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Childcare one

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User1230989 · 28/08/2020 14:10

Could do with a bit of outside perspective on an issue I’m currently having with my DS father. DS is 11, separated from father for 7 years, share 50/50 custody whereby weekends and week days are split and alternate in a 2 week rotation. We do not speak, our communication is via text due to abuse hurled at me through the years.

My DS has always attended an afterschool service, they collect from school, feed him and do his homework with him. I collect after work at 5.45pm.

This service is vital for me, I work a stressful job, very long hours but the remuneration and satisfaction make it worth it. I live alone, claim no benefits or maintenance and provide my son with a beautiful home in a lovely area.

The afterschool service we were using is now not being offered this year so I have booked him into an alternative service which has a great reputation. While DS is not overly excited about it, he also is not fussed as he is a very sociable kid and this has always been his routine.

His father is now refusing to send him to the service, citing Covid as the reason which to me is not a justification, we live an area with very low level of cases and both his school and afterschool service are following all public health guidelines. Neither of our households have anyone considered at risk and society as a whole have made so many sacrifices in part to ensure that children can return to school safely. I personally believe that this is mostly about the money – he does not want to pay for child care when he has a GF sitting at home, not working, claiming benefits who can do it.

DS father has INFORMED me that his girlfriend will be collecting our son from school every day, even on my days. (He has been with his girlfriend approx 3.5years, they live together and have a child about 1.5yrs. She also has another child from previous relationship.)

I’m not comfortable with this at all. Reliable, professional childcare is something I need to continue to progress my career. I need the knowledge and security that my son is well looked after by professionals when I am at work. I’m not comfortable with my son spending all of his time in that house either for various reasons, particularly during my contact time. Also, as all of DS recreational activities are now cancelled for the year, it will provide some sort of social outlet for him. He will be with the same 4 children in the afterschool every day so exposure to Covid not massively increased.
The new service will only take bookings for the same days every week and therefore cannot accommodate the rotation of days that we currently have in place.

But his father has dug his heels in and is refusing. I have made an appointment with my solicitor for Monday to reassess custody arrangement as DS father has made it such that I will now need to push for set days in order to avail of the service.

I just don’t understand why he feels he can change the status quo like this, it’s so unnecessary and will now likely end up in court. I’ve never fought him for contact and have never taken a penny from him in maintenance.

I guess I’m wondering, AIBU to be totally uncomfortable and pissed off that he is causing this unnecessary drama and any advice/opinions any of you might have would be appreciated.

OP posts:
InDeoEstMeaFiducia · 28/08/2020 16:03

I'd go to court. Let the solicitor deal with it.

ZigZagPlant · 28/08/2020 16:07

From what I’m reading you’re not even asking Dad to pay for this. He just sounds like it’s an opportunity to exert some control.

User1230989 · 28/08/2020 16:09

@Rhubardandcustard

Regardless of what age in your country they stay at primary. Most 11 years old are ready for the next step at this age, giving him a bit more responsibility- maybe he’ll surprise you op but all the while you pick him up from school you aren’t giving him that opportunity.
I understand what you're saying, and honestly it would make my life so much easier if it were possible but he's just not mature enough at the moment to be left alone, as I said, he can be very distracted at times. Its recommended children under 12 aren't left by themselves in this country. He also wouldn't be able to access transport from school to home either, no public transport or school bus unfortunately.
OP posts:
User1230989 · 28/08/2020 16:12

@ZigZagPlant

From what I’m reading you’re not even asking Dad to pay for this. He just sounds like it’s an opportunity to exert some control.
You've read right, I'm haven't actually asked him to pay. Even though he would always have paid half for the last 7years. I would pay for it all but just can't justify throwing away hard earned money on a service that DS won't be sent to half the time. It could definitely just be a power ploy, DS father has form for this.
OP posts:
ZigZagPlant · 28/08/2020 16:13

Have you told him you’ll foot the bill? If he doesn’t already know that might change his mind.

User1230989 · 28/08/2020 16:14

@InDeoEstMeaFiducia

I'd go to court. Let the solicitor deal with it.
It's looking like the only option really. And the vindictive part of me now wants to take as much custody as I can possibly get because he has pissed me off so much. I do know this isn't what's best for DS but I'm just so angry right now.
OP posts:
User1230989 · 28/08/2020 16:17

@ZigZagPlant

Have you told him you’ll foot the bill? If he doesn’t already know that might change his mind.
He's refusing to even talk about the service. The way he sees it, he's 'decided' his gf is going to do all childcare and that's the end of it. I don't want to tell him I'd foot the whole bill either to be honest, he's his father and should be paying his half or at least allow a change to arrangements so I can have set days and avail of the childcare I want. He's just a prat to be honest.
OP posts:
TimeTruthandHearts · 28/08/2020 16:17

If you believe it's all about the money, why don't you make it clear that your paying for it- take away his reason for opposing it.

TimeTruthandHearts · 28/08/2020 16:18

X post.

ZigZagPlant · 29/08/2020 14:21

So you’ve said to us that you’re happy to foot the bill but haven’t said that to your ex but seem to expect him to know.

I actually think that given you are expecting him to pay when he has given a viable alternative to mitigate his own expense is UR.

Why would he pay for childcare when his GF is at home with other kids and by your own admission, they’re not flush. It’s probably a bit unfair for him to spend out on this from the family pot with that in mind too.

I agreed with you before, but I don’t agree you can make demands on someone else’s money where they’ve offered an alternative.

kidsdrivingmemad · 29/08/2020 14:24

If your son is 11 is he starting high school next month?

AyeCorona1 · 29/08/2020 14:59

I am, and have been responsible for hundreds of 11yo students over the last twenty years. Nationally, hundreds of thousands of 11 year olds are preparing to start back in the next week or so with no after school childcare. Many will be used to this as they have been allowed/required to for a good year or so.

A good majority of 'mine' go home on their own after school. Most travel by public transport, and I've known many who walk up to 4 miles across the city each way, every day, in all weathers.

My own dc began walking to and from school in y6 (when our wraparound shut down), though I am usually home by 4.30-5pm.

What are the barriers to your ds going home by himself on your days?

JellyBellies · 29/08/2020 15:20

YANBU OP. In your place I would just book the childcare for all the days. His GF could change her mind and then what?

He goes on your days, on his days it's his choice but the childcare is booked and paid for. When there is an easy, free option I can't see them putting themselves out to pick him up.

monkeymonkey2010 · 29/08/2020 16:33

what does your 11 year old want to do?
sit at home every day after school bored/babysitting/moping around?
Or have that bit of extra time to wind down with friends and get his homework done with help from school (esp given current situation re upheaval in educ), before going home and enjoying time with his family?

The other thing is 'dictating' to you....how dare he?
what does he actually contribute financially towards dc's upbringing and costs?
Is he trying to get more than 50% 'residency' by stealth so he can then later down the line, once the precedence has been established, claim maintenance from you?

cheeky fucker!
wipe the floor with him!

NoKnit · 29/08/2020 17:57

Sorry I read the bit about not trusting an 11 year old to cross the road and good grief I weep for that boy and his lack of independence. Unable to cross a road at 11? What sort of an adult is he going to become? My boy is 7 and crosses the road and has started going to/from school by myself.

Grrretel · 29/08/2020 18:04

Can you afford to pay for a full time place?

I would just pay for full time and use the club on your days - then your exes time is up to him, either let your ds attend the club or have the girlfriend collect him.

Paying for full time club space would probably be a lot cheaper and less stressful than going to court for set days.

freeingNora · 29/08/2020 18:09

I bet he wants to claim for your son you say proudly that you don't claim anything but do you claim the child benefit if you don't and he does he could actually force a change of residence by keeping your son and saying he's with me for x number of days making him the resident parent he's got time on his hands

You need legal advice and to be very sharp about it

Waveysnail · 29/08/2020 18:14

Do you have a legal custody agreement on paper at the moment?

june2007 · 29/08/2020 18:16

I can see why at this time he is reluctant to use an after school club especially if there is an alternative. I don,t think is any more dictating to you as you are to him. Perhaps you need a more flexible setting so that you can take him there on your days and he can have them on his.

june2007 · 29/08/2020 18:17

Also being in another country with diffeent school systems and perhaps different services and laws means mn can only be of limited help.

PrincessLouis · 29/08/2020 18:29

Hi OP - you’re in the right because he won’t agree to set days. However for your DS’s sake and your own let your ex’s dickishness wash over you. Book and pay for the after school care for five days a week, use the days you need and chalk the rest of the money up to avoiding an expensive and demanding (for you & DS) court battle. It’s only two years. This grey rocks your ex & will discourage further stirring from him. It’s hard being the good one but future you will thank you for avoiding unnecessary drama. Good luck Flowers

Crawlbee · 29/08/2020 18:34

work hard, save hard to provide for me and my son... they draw benefits, expect council houses and state support to raise their children

So you don't want his girlfriend to pick your son up in case the council house living benefit claimants rub off on him?

carly2803 · 29/08/2020 18:42

OP i agree with you

he should notbe allowed to dictate what happens on your time

court it is sadly! but you are right with the childcare!

carly2803 · 29/08/2020 18:42

OP i agree with you

he should notbe allowed to dictate what happens on your time

court it is sadly! but you are right with the childcare!

Isthisit22 · 29/08/2020 18:42

@PrincessLouis

Hi OP - you’re in the right because he won’t agree to set days. However for your DS’s sake and your own let your ex’s dickishness wash over you. Book and pay for the after school care for five days a week, use the days you need and chalk the rest of the money up to avoiding an expensive and demanding (for you & DS) court battle. It’s only two years. This grey rocks your ex & will discourage further stirring from him. It’s hard being the good one but future you will thank you for avoiding unnecessary drama. Good luck Flowers
Agree with this.

You will waste a lot of money going to court.
I agree that he shouldn't be able to dictate childcare to you but you also seem too concerned with scoring points eg not just telling him you'll pay for the whole childcare seems petty. Just tell him and that will probably solve this problem with no need to drag you (and potentially your child) to court.

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