To wonder if others think vaccines will become compulsory.

[lovelifehope]

According to my brother he thinks that when the vacine becomes available, we will be forced to have it or refused to travel, work etc. He thinks it’s all about people control, Bill Gates is involved he says, also 5G is a huge part of it. Is he mad or what?

The government are not going to say in as many words that it's compulsory: that would be electoral suicide. They'll first try to persuade/brainwash/bargain/incentivise/terrify/bully as many people as they can into having it, just as they have done with "making" people comply with lockdown, until their magic undisclosed percentage of people have the vaccine.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they make it extremely difficult not to have it, for example by saying you must have it to travel, or to avoid quarantine. It's what they do to make us believe we are having it of our own free will (bollocks we are).

For instance, it's not compulsory to have a bank account. But in practice, it's extremely difficult not to have one nowadays.

until their magic undisclosed percentage of people have the vaccine

40%, although the WHO has recommended 20%. It was on the news yesterday.

Not mandatory by governments though employers, travel, insurers and other dimensions may require it. People will be able to choose and accept the consequences.

Bill Gates and 5G demonstrably bonkers. COVID present where no 5G and where regionally not rolled out (Scandinavia?). Has he been watching youtube to scratch the surface and think for himself? He'll be speaking rubbish about masks and deaths next, if not already.

@titchy

Yeah he's right. Bill Gates intends to use the vaccine to insert an upgrade chip into all of us so we all become human 2.0

Why else would he spend billions of his own money on a vaccine.

Oh, absolutely! I've heard this vaccine will use DHMO (dihydrogen monoxide) as a solvent. This chemical is a major component of acid rain and is present in 100% of drownings. Its presence will contribute greatly to the "unsurvivable" storm surge forecast to hit Louisiana today.

:: Dons tinfoil hat. ::

Yes he is bonkers , no they won't be compulsory, he's an idiot

He's mad. You can't be forced to have a vaccine. It would be assault

It depends how legislators rule on things, though - they could declare that you're assaulting everybody else far more by not having the vaccine for an illness that you could pass on to others.

The USA has the death penalty and that isn't classsed as assault, as it's supposed to be for the greater good.

I don't think the vaccine will be compulsory.
What might happen is that it is required for travel to certain countries. HCPs might be required to have one and residents of care homes.
I'm in another country in Europe and there are already some compulsory vaccinations for people in care homes.
I think that the vaccine will be offered first to the elderly and those in at risk groups.

In the country I am in they are going to vaccinate all schoolchildren for influenza this winter - the vaccine will not be compulsory, parents have to give permission - but the vaccines will be carried out in school for those whose parents want them to have it and it will be needle-free to make it "child friendly".

But there is still a way to go before they have an effective vaccine. The virus is mutating already and apparently becoming less deadly.
It might in the end not be necessary to vaccinate everyone or a large proportion of the population or it might simply not be possible if the entire population has to be revaccinated every year.

I'm not an expert. I'm just expressing my opinion. Nobody really knows.
I don't believe these conspiracy theories though.

We can only really surmise about what we think the government will or won't do in the future. Who would have thought before lockdown that people would have been threatened with fines (some actually have been) for leaving their house or having a civilised party with friends?

It escalated so suddenly, but whatever the rights and wrongs of it, the wisdom or foolishness, I think it's easy to overlook the unprecedented seriousness of what happened in March and onwards, where we were told that we were not allowed to freely leave our homes, people running perfectly reputable and legal businesses were ordered to close them (many never to re-open again), loads of workers were just forced to stop working and to go on benefits instead.

And how did people react? After a short grumble, a great many devoted themselves to vigilante behaviour, reporting all of their friends and neighbours for any breach, whether real or perceived. Some of the people banging saucepans in 'support' of the NHS were the exact same ones reporting, intimidating, shaming, even vandalising the cars of neighbours daring to go out to work, not a few of them actually NHS workers.

@mastertomsmum

I doubt they will become compulsory but when we lived in the US there was a whole list of vaccines that a child must have had to be permitted to attend an educational setting in NYC. This covered state and independent schools and nurseries

This is absolutely necessary due to the very high population density in NYC. Highly contagious diseases spread like fire in that type of urban environment. We had a massive measles outbreak in NY last year precisely because a group of religious schools decided to ignore the vaccination mandate.

US measles cases hit 1,234 as Brooklyn outbreak called over

In the country I am in they are going to vaccinate all schoolchildren for influenza this winter - the vaccine will not be compulsory, parents have to give permission

I wonder if there are any potential repercussions for those refusing it, though - in your country or others. Will it be case of "They are the parents so it's entirely up to them, end of discussion" or "What is their reason for refusing? Are they neglecting their children? Do they have any history of abuse? Are they even fit to be parents? Do we need to intervene? Straight on the strict monitoring list for them" ? Who knows?

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

In the country I am in they are going to vaccinate all schoolchildren for influenza this winter - the vaccine will not be compulsory, parents have to give permission

I wonder if there are any potential repercussions for those refusing it, though - in your country or others. Will it be case of "They are the parents so it's entirely up to them, end of discussion" or "What is their reason for refusing? Are they neglecting their children? Do they have any history of abuse? Are they even fit to be parents? Do we need to intervene? Straight on the strict monitoring list for them" ? Who knows?

No repercussions apparently. Entirely voluntary - we are told.

I see your point though. I suppose they can say by administering the vaccine with a nasal spray that they are making it child-friendly and therefore there's no reason for parents to refuse on the grounds that it might be unpleasant for their 6-year-old child to get an injection at school without a parent present.
They could possibly say "Why would you refuse?" as by doing this they've removed what could be a main objection for many parents.

The plan is that they reduce hospital admissions for flu in winter, leaving space for any COVID admissions. They are trying to encourage everyone to go for a flu vaccine. Don't know whether that will work.

The plan is that they reduce hospital admissions for flu in winter, leaving space for any COVID admissions. They are trying to encourage everyone to go for a flu vaccine. Don't know whether that will work.

That is indeed part of reason they are pushing flu vaccinations hard due to covid. The other reason is that someone could easily get the flu and covid at the same time. That would kill a lot of people who would likely have survived one or the other.

Nasal 'flu vaccinations for primary school age children in a school setting have been in place in England for some time. Recusal for parents wishes and medical reasons (some children cannot have any 'flu vaccine and some require a different, injectable vaccine administered in a clinical setting) are routine with no 'naughty list'. I understand this year it may be extended to Y7 secondary to try and mitigate the spread of 'flu further as part of COVID capacity contingency planning. This widening is mirrored by the proposal to reduce the age for the availability of adult vaccinations if no chronic diseases or other clinical presentations to 50 years.

Haven't seen the secret plan, nor received the microchip order yet.

The virus is mutating already and apparently becoming less deadly.

Did you see the article in the New Scientist that suggested that the coronaviruses that currently cause colds may have caused diseases as bad as or worse than covid-19 when they were first introduced into humans?

I think it’ll end up as a mild disease first caught in childhood, and again throughout life (like colds). The effects in previously-exposed adults will be limited by T-cell lymphocytes they developed as a result of childhood exposure.

It might in the end not be necessary to vaccinate everyone or a large proportion of the population or it might simply not be possible if the entire population has to be revaccinated every year.

We already offer the flu vaccine to vulnerable people every year, so this would just be an extra component. One good thing that might come out of this is that the vaccine may cover other coronaviruses too. I already pay for a flu vaccine every year (Asda’s usually cheapest) and I’d be happy to pay for a vaccine that would protect me against some colds.

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

In the country I am in they are going to vaccinate all schoolchildren for influenza this winter - the vaccine will not be compulsory, parents have to give permission

I wonder if there are any potential repercussions for those refusing it, though - in your country or others. Will it be case of "They are the parents so it's entirely up to them, end of discussion" or "What is their reason for refusing? Are they neglecting their children? Do they have any history of abuse? Are they even fit to be parents? Do we need to intervene? Straight on the strict monitoring list for them" ? Who knows?

I don't know about other countries but in England parents are allowed to refuse vaccinations for their children. The health authority will follow up and ask them to bring the children to their doctor's surgery if they miss the session in school but if they persist in refusing without medical reasons the only repercussions are a tut and a roll of the eyes. It's not flagged by the school, LEA or social services.

Hahaha mental.

No that wouldn't happen, not without a war.

Op asked 2 questions
Is the brother mad? Yes.

Will vaccines be compulsory? Not in the sense of forcing you no
But it’ll be a case of not being able to get a new job/ school or college place/etc etc because Liability insurance won’t cover it

This already happens - I am required to take certain jabs for my work. No jab no job as my boss isn’t able to take the risk due to litigation / insurance not covering them should I get a disease and pass it on

He’s a conspiracy theorist and while I don’t agree re the Bill Gates/5g stuff, and while I doubt anyone will be held down and forcibly vaccinated, I do think we could have a situ where people won’t be able to access public services incl schools, work in certain jobs, travel abroad unless they’ve had it. I hope so anyway. I would do the same with all vaccines, save for medical exemptions. I’ve had enough of anti vaxxers and their shite. The government have made us stay at home for months, shut down people’s workplaces, and denied people essential medical treatment “for the greater good”. They could easily effectively mandate vaccination to be able to access public services.

5G and Bill Gates conspiracy theory is mad. I wouldn't be surprised if the covid vaccine becomes compulsory in a lot of countries though which means he will be able to go abroad messy has it.

he will be able to go abroad messy has it that should say he will not be able to go abroad unless he is vaccinated

@lovelifehope

I agree, I don’t think they will become compulsory. However our lives will be so restricted WITHOUT the vaccine that effectively we will be forced into having it. But if the vaccine is effective and there’s no long term side affects then obviously it’s got to be a good thing.

I doubt that our lives will be severely restricted without it. Our lives aren’t severely restricted now if we opt out of vaccines for other serious diseases.

Currently there are some countries that won’t let you in without certain vaccines (yellow fever and/or meningitis). And there are a few jobs that require certain vaccines, mainly in healthcare. These may be extended to include the coronavirus vaccine, but it’s very unlikely that we’re suddenly going to have to show proof of vaccination in everyday life.

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll And how did people react? After a short grumble, a great many devoted themselves to vigilante behaviour, reporting all of their friends and neighbours for any breach, whether real or perceived. Some of the people banging saucepans in 'support' of the NHS were the exact same ones reporting, intimidating, shaming, even vandalising the cars of neighbours daring to go out to work, not a few of them actually NHS workers.

Exactly. This is what I think is the VERY REAL DANGER in all this, much more dangerous than the virus, or even the deception, scaremongering and hyper-control exercised by our own government.

It won’t be the law but I can well be you needing to provide proof of having it to travel and that’s fair.