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This government don’t give a shit about schools or your kids

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noblegiraffe · 20/08/2020 19:11

AIBU to think that the government have fucked up literally everything to do with schools and education this year?

Evidence:

Chaotic school closures and keyworker provision (couldn’t decide what a keyworker was until the very last minute)

Forgot that kids on free school meals would go hungry so heads had to go round delivering sandwiches while the DfE put together an utterly shambolic voucher system that crashed and was pretty unusable.

Issued no guidelines for minimum education requirements during lockdown leading to vastly different provision between schools. Even Ofsted said they couldn’t judge schools on lockdown provision as there were no standards to judge them against.

Had to be shamed into u-turning on their insistence that free school meal children should go hungry during the holidays by a celebrity footballer (well done Marcus Rashford you absolute star)

Fed stories to friendly newspapers about schools re-opening in May to judge public reaction, leading to anxiety and uncertainty among parents and school staff

Announced that primary schools would open to all pupils before the summer holidays, an announcement that had surely not been run past anyone who worked in schools given that under the government’s own guidelines for schools for bubbles of 15 and no rotas, this would require double the classrooms and double the teachers available. Then backtracked on this a few weeks later (getting the friendly press to blame the unions) again creating uncertainty, anxiety and disappointment for parents and pupils.

Ignored education select committee questions about Ofqual’s algorithm when they raised issues in July

Lied and said they didn’t have early access to the data from Ofqual’s algorithm

When Scotland u-turned on their use of an algorithm, instead of making a considered response, came out with the bizarre notion that kids could use their mock grades - a suggestion that had obviously never been put past anyone who worked in schools. Again.

Took 5 days to realise that their mock suggestion created more problems than it solved, then u-turned on awarding CAGs creating problems for Y12 next year.

Fed stories to the friendly press that the unions are blocking the re-opening of schools in September so if it goes tits-up, they can blame them again (unions are asking for a ‘plan B’ in the case of local lockdowns, and for working conditions comparable to those of all other workers, no strike action has been proposed or balloted for so they couldn’t block re-opening even if they wanted to)

Blamed Ofqual for the algorithm they were told to create (prioritising statistics over teacher assessment)

Branded a teacher payrise that was agreed back in January a ‘reward for work during lockdown’, knowing this was incorrect, and deliberately fuelling outrage that they themselves had caused by having no minimum requirements for education in lockdown leading to vastly different provision.

Not funding this payrise so teachers probably won’t get it as otherwise it will lead to redundancies for other staff members due to having to fund it from already dire staffing budgets.

Issued guidelines that said that schools should reopen with increased cleaning schedules, increased handwashing, hand sanitising but providing no extra funding for this.

Instructed heads not to take any measures that would improve safety but would require more space (e.g. use of village halls) or not have pupils in full time (rotas, staggered timetables).

Didn’t realise that kids wouldn’t be able to get to school on public transport under current social distancing requirements as there aren’t enough buses until three weeks before schools reopened, and decided to throw £40 million to LAs to sort this (what? buy more buses?) so that they could blame the LAs when it inevitably goes wrong and kids can’t get to school.

And these are the people currently running a campaign to convince parents that they are capable of re-opening schools safely.

YABU: I have full confidence in the government and am perfectly happy with how things have gone so far

YANBU: It is mind-boggling how incompetent they have been, and how little thought they have given to the education of the nation’s children.

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cantkeepawayforever · 20/08/2020 22:22

[quote ILoveAllRainbowsx]**@thecatsatonthewall

Well, if you want to criticise them and think you could do better, why don't you stand for parliament?

What is stopping you?

If you won't do it yourself, then you need to start appreciating the people who will.[/quote]
Interestingly, I have had quite a bit of correspondence with my local (Tory) MP on various issues.

A VERY large proportion of their responses are 'on a percsonal level, i completely agree, but the party nature of politics makes it impossible for me to do anything about it'.

So competent and often intelligent individual MPs are, especially in this era of centre-run politics, largely powerless. If they rebel against the party machine, then they are kept in the backbencher roles that give them no genuine influence.

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 20/08/2020 22:22

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SmileEachDay · 20/08/2020 22:22

I'm sure no-one would mind if you gave up teaching

😂😂 you know it’s probably easier to get a PM than it is to secure a full time, experienced, specialist teacher who gets good results and who still actually really loves teaching children.

But ok.

Iamnotthe1 · 20/08/2020 22:23

@ILoveAllRainbowsx
What is stopping you?

One element is the fact I'd have needed to be actively involved in the grassroots side of things for a while (see career politician). Another is the fact that I'm not connected via my background, family or education to someone who could pull the strings necessary to allow me to bypass the grassroots work.

For me, I just think at least some of our politicians should be some of our best and brightest or, at the very least, those with a clear and proven track record. But they aren't. I mean, I've seen Tory donors publically stating on twitter that Gav Williamson is an exceptionally intelligent and talented man and there should be no way he should ever be sacked because he's exactly what is needed. I just... yeah...

Bluewavescrashing · 20/08/2020 22:23

But surely running the country is more important? I'm sure no-one would mind if you gave up teaching.

I think you'll find that the nation's children are expecting their teachers to turn up in September (not that we can resign and leave before January, anyway). A mass walk out of teachers would be far more damaging to you than a mass walk out of MPs. Parents would be up in arms if nobody was there to teach their kids. Even bigger classes, unqualified staff hurriedly appointed... Sounds great. But anyone can teach, right? 🙄

Barbie222 · 20/08/2020 22:23

@ILoveAllRainbowsx I'm a teacher and that's a more worthwhile job. What do you do?

AuntyPasta · 20/08/2020 22:24

This government are immune to shame and have no concept of personal responsibility. They are lead by Boris Johnson though ...

Iamnotthe1 · 20/08/2020 22:25

@cantkeepawayforever
If they rebel against the party machine, then they are kept in the backbencher roles that give them no genuine influence.

More than just that if we believe the rumours about Gav's orange book of secrets. Defy the party whip and you might find that your skeletons come flying out of the closet.

DullDullWeather · 20/08/2020 22:26

Agreed

YANBU

cantkeepawayforever · 20/08/2020 22:26

[quote ILoveAllRainbowsx]**@monkeytennis97

Yes, I love rainbows, thank you[/quote]
The thing is, the assumption that the only way to get something to work properly - or have any right to complain about it - is to do the job yourself is fundamentally flawed.

If an incompetent surgeon botches a long series of operations, they should be sacked - but it doesn't mean that I can only call for that sacking if i am prepared to take their place in the operating theatre. They are employed to do a specific job, at which they turn out to be incompetent, and it is right that they should be sacked.

AuntyPasta · 20/08/2020 22:27

I believe Gavin’s quite the pro at leaking secrets.

netflixismysidehustle · 20/08/2020 22:27

[quote ILoveAllRainbowsx]**@thecatsatonthewall

Well, if you want to criticise them and think you could do better, why don't you stand for parliament?

What is stopping you?

If you won't do it yourself, then you need to start appreciating the people who will.[/quote]
Have you not been paying attention?

To get a top job with this government you need to have attended public school the Oxbridge/have a peerage/be friends with the cabinet/be a donor

It's not about competence like in the real world. It's gobsmacking that people like Dido Harding and Gavin Williamson keep on getting top jobs when they have appalling track records. Williamson clearly knows big secrets thanks to his time as a whip- how else is he still employed in government? May sacking him should be career ending.

Totally agree with a pp that MPs should have knowledge or experience of the portfolio that they manage.

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 20/08/2020 22:29

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SmileEachDay · 20/08/2020 22:29

I believe Gavin’s quite the pro at leaking secrets

Sorry but I refuse to believe that Gav is competent as anything.

Bluewavescrashing · 20/08/2020 22:30

The thing is, the assumption that the only way to get something to work properly - or have any right to complain about it - is to do the job yourself is fundamentally flawed. If an incompetent surgeon botches a long series of operations, they should be sacked - but it doesn't mean that I can only call for that sacking if i am prepared to take their place in the operating theatre. They are employed to do a specific job, at which they turn out to be incompetent, and it is right that they should be sacked.

Yes. It's a nonsense argument and also immature. Where's the substance in your viewpoint, all you YABU voters?

noblegiraffe · 20/08/2020 22:31

Look at the diversion away from the litany of complaints towards the people making them.

Back to Invisible Boris and his Merry Band of Screw-ups.

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cantkeepawayforever · 20/08/2020 22:31

[quote ILoveAllRainbowsx]**@Barbie222

Of course teaching is a worthwhile job, I did not say that it wasn;t.

But surely everyone on here who thinks that they could do a better job of running the country should stand for parliament as that is more important than any other job.

The country cannot run itself.[/quote]
Demanding that those employed to run the country should do so competently as an absolute minimum is surely the role of every voting citizen, and shouldn't require those voting citizens all to stand as MPs in order to get it?

Jux · 20/08/2020 22:31

Does anyone know what is happening with the results for the home schooled students?

greeneyedlulu · 20/08/2020 22:32

This government doesnt care about any one of us let alone our children!

netflixismysidehustle · 20/08/2020 22:32

@Pixxie7

Let’s be honest, it’s not just schools the government is only interested in being popular the average person is just collateral damage.
Think Care Home staff and residents would agree SadAngry
Barbie222 · 20/08/2020 22:32

Saying "you do it then!" is a childish flounce for those without comeback. @noblegiraffe is absolutely right in her OP, and it all boils down to money. So as I haven't got time to stand for election before September, here's what I would have done:

NOT spent 15bn on unusable PPE
NOT spent 150 million on consultancy without tender...

And used this money to make schools safer instead.

noblegiraffe · 20/08/2020 22:32

Does anyone know what is happening with the results for the home schooled students?

I think if there wasn’t a centre to give them a CAG they were expected to sit the Autumn exams?

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Clavinova · 20/08/2020 22:33

if you want to look at wasteful spending you are looking in the wrong place.

Odd that the Guardian describes Public First as "a small policy and research company in London" - inferring that the contract award was unusual or undeserved.

In October they described the company rather differently;

"it has rapidly expanded to become a leading British lobbying and communications agency."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/30/fracking-lobbyist-hired-to-draw-up-tory-manifesto-rachel-wolf

SmileEachDay · 20/08/2020 22:33

Oops yes. Sorry noble.

I’ll add “teachers should become MPs” to the list of great arguments against the very specific points in the OP.

Honestly. Rainbows - what do you think about the decisions outlined in the OP?

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 20/08/2020 22:34

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