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High earner - but unsettled

426 replies

Iprobap · 19/08/2020 19:50

Annual pay about £250k, between 16% - 50% discretionary bonus and shares. Overseas based for UK global financial services company.

Personally still earn full salary, but possible no increase, bonuses and shares this year and next few maybe? I foresee retrenchments in future because of COVID-19.

I know we are on different scales on here and this is no brag. Curious to know if others are as unsettled by possibility of losing benefits because of impact of COVID-19 on global economy?

OP posts:
sst1234 · 19/08/2020 23:06

@OhMyDarling

No one should be allowed to earn that much. Disgusting.

People are dying.
People in their thousands are relying on food banks to feed their children.

People like you are the problem.

Eh? Never mind OPs question. Did you escape from momentum HQ, do they know you are at large?
NiceGerbil · 19/08/2020 23:10

And FWIW op you are naive.

Bonuses and increases are never guaranteed. You're a fool to count them in as a given.

Shares? There is a global crash. Shares are a gamble. Again, foolish to count on them, they've an interesting perk that benefits the company too.

I like things like income protection, life, CI, pension where they contribute loads, flexible holidays, flexible hours, that sort of thing. And not being worked super hard. Being appreciated as an asset to be looked after, in other words.

Like I say you seem a bit naive/ foolish. Maybe learn a lesson from this situation and also maybe a bit of tact.

MakeItRain · 19/08/2020 23:12

I don't think people responding are coming across as bitter and jealous. Most are just showing empathy for those who are struggling financially. (As in really struggling, not upset that they can't buy their children houses.)

I don't really have much sympathy for the OP (if it's a real situation). I can't really imagine what it must be like to have reached this point in the pandemic, and your main concern is that you can't afford to buy extra houses. Seems really strange to me. I don't know anyone who thinks like this.

Financially, I don't consider myself poor or a low earner, don't have much mortgage left to pay, live in a house I love and can afford a few nice things (occasionally) though I'm sure I'd be considered barely out of the gutter by the OP Hmm

dwiz8 · 19/08/2020 23:13

@NiceGerbil

Agree with those who have said that op could have asked her question without naming the figure which adds zero to the conversation apart from sounding crass and possibly goady.
Regardless of mentioning the figure the OP would have been jumped on by the professional poverty brigade on here. I have seen it time and time again; heck even when people post about earning £50k a year they get harped on
SheSaidHummingbird · 19/08/2020 23:13

Poor you. I would give anything to be in your 'unsettled' position.

To answer your question, I would say that a larger percentage pf people around the world are more 'unsettled' by possibility of losing their family, their loved ones and their own lives.

sst1234 · 19/08/2020 23:14

Calm down people. OP is winding everyone up, because someone on that salary would have more sense and poise than to go around announcing it without giving any context at all. It’s like asking, the sun’s out, is it raining?

Calling out lack of sensitivity is one thing, but some of the other hysterical comments are just OTT.

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Wherrsmaclickypen · 19/08/2020 23:18

Op. Is this what you meant to write? If so I think the responses would have been kinder. Can you see the difference? Or AIBU?

“Like most people I am sure, I am feeling very unsettled about my future finances. I work in financial services and while my job is hopefully secure it is likely that my pay will be considerably less in the next few years due to reduced bonuses and benefits. My situation is not in any way desperate, I am thankfully well off even with the likely reduction in pay, but I had many plans and wanted specifically to support my dc and help them purchase a house. It worries me a lot that this will not now be possible or prudent. AIBU to feel so unsettled by the economic situation and the upset to my plans? I’m hoping I am not alone and would love some reassurance that it is normal to feel so unsettled in this situation. Given my background, I am not seeking practical financial planning advice, just a handhold or honest feedback if you think my feelings are disproportionate and perhaps indicative of a bigger problem, and if so how I could best deal with this”

loubieloo4 · 19/08/2020 23:23

I just want to know what jobs will pay six figures, are they all financial?

JingsMahBucket · 19/08/2020 23:24

@fishywaters

Ok I will bite. Everyone is worried about “losing” out on bonuses. However, unless you have a huge mortgage Eg 5xbase salary and job security is dwindling then perhaps you should not be concerned. On the grapevine I have heard that higher earners are increasingly more worried about big raises in taxes and inflation. So those who have saved and have a pot and have worked really long hours to retire early etc.. are worried their cash won’t be as valuable. So yes, this bracket of “rich” (because let’s face it, in London you are not properly rich on 250k plus bonus especially if you are relatively young and have to pay 1.5 million plus for a house and 20k per child school fees) is also a bit worried.
@fishywaters yes exactly. Back during the 2008 then the 2011 euro crisis, this is exactly what happened. The low level millionaires were more devastatingly affected than those with larger wealth because they were marginal. For example, the people with $1,000,000 — $5,000,000 net worth. Those were the people who likely had children in some version of private school (secondary or university) and then maybe a second house along with a third car for one of their kids, were supporting an elderly parent, etc.

When the markets crashed in 2011, a lot of personal services economies crashed as well. The marginally wealthy were the ones who stopped buying slightly expensive ($3,000+) bags, jewelry or watches, stopped doing renovations, pulled children out of schools, sent back the cars, reduced gardener and housekeeper hours, stopped going to the salons or barbers as much, didn’t rent boats or take as many vacations, etc. The millionaires worth about $10,000,000 or more were able to cushion themselves and keep things humming along.

Besides the banking economy like @dwiz8 correctly states, the actual crunch felt by everyday people in the middle and lower classes is because the marginally wealthy lost a lot of ground. This is likely where @Iprobap the OP probably is in terms of strata. Without that bonus, the ripple effect within her community and others’ becomes felt. Less cleaners, less takeaways, less dry cleaners, etc. It all matters.

JingsMahBucket · 19/08/2020 23:26

@MakeItRain you don’t have to have sympathy for the OP but you can still have empathy.

titnomatani · 19/08/2020 23:26

I know it is hard to believe given the usual MN poverty olympics

Wtf?!

Trinketsfor20 · 19/08/2020 23:34

I’ve said this already but d St one times people who are really struggling in real life post things like these. It’s still totally not done, but comes from an unhappy place so I suppose we could feel sorry for whoever the person is that’s posting as OP.

Trinketsfor20 · 19/08/2020 23:35

Sometimes* is what that weird word sauce in sentence 1 was meant to say!

dwiz8 · 19/08/2020 23:48

@loubieloo4

I just want to know what jobs will pay six figures, are they all financial?
Most top earning jobs won't be in financial services necessarily
kittenpeak · 19/08/2020 23:48

@Iprobap think you'll be fine babe. Chin up x

Islandblue · 19/08/2020 23:59

I think you need to adapt to the change. I do get where you are coming from. Not even close to your bracket but I have mentally prepared myself for disappointment and right now feel grateful to be employed. I am working longer hours and feeling like I really have to prove my 'value' right now but I know there is likely to be no reward for doing this.

I do agree that this might not be the best forum to have raised this in. You have a right to be here and start whatever thread you like, however the majority here don't really want to hear about someone on your level of income feeling unsettled. I am sorry but I am being very honest with you. It shows that you are out of touch I am afraid.

Elsewyre · 20/08/2020 00:01

@Serin

No I'm not worried about losing financial benefits because of covid, but then I work as a healthcare professional so I'm more worried about losing my life to covid.
Didnt the stats come out that factory workers are dying in far higher rates than healthcare workers?

Possibly because most companies donated all their good ppe to the health care workers...

Elsewyre · 20/08/2020 00:01

@Serin

No I'm not worried about losing financial benefits because of covid, but then I work as a healthcare professional so I'm more worried about losing my life to covid.
Didnt the stats come out that factory workers are dying in far higher rates than healthcare workers?

Possibly because most companies donated all their good ppe to the health care workers...

Elsewyre · 20/08/2020 00:04

@NiceGerbil

And FWIW op you are naive.

Bonuses and increases are never guaranteed. You're a fool to count them in as a given.

Shares? There is a global crash. Shares are a gamble. Again, foolish to count on them, they've an interesting perk that benefits the company too.

I like things like income protection, life, CI, pension where they contribute loads, flexible holidays, flexible hours, that sort of thing. And not being worked super hard. Being appreciated as an asset to be looked after, in other words.

Like I say you seem a bit naive/ foolish. Maybe learn a lesson from this situation and also maybe a bit of tact.

Where the hell do you think your pension is if you think shares are foolish?
NiceGerbil · 20/08/2020 00:06

Bollocks dwiz.

OP would have got a v different response if she said she counts on an x% bonus and it doesn't look like it's going to be paid this year.

You have no idea how much I or any of the others who have said the op is crass, without revealing their own salaries, earn.

And bonus season is surely march. That's months away.

OP appears to be naive for someone in the financial sector and also rather a catastrophist.

dwiz8 · 20/08/2020 00:08

@NiceGerbil

Bollocks dwiz.

OP would have got a v different response if she said she counts on an x% bonus and it doesn't look like it's going to be paid this year.

You have no idea how much I or any of the others who have said the op is crass, without revealing their own salaries, earn.

And bonus season is surely march. That's months away.

OP appears to be naive for someone in the financial sector and also rather a catastrophist.

I can almost guarantee she would have still be jumped on. Have seen it happen many times with people earning a lot less. And she still would have got the 'many people don't get bonuses you're lucky' type of comments
NiceGerbil · 20/08/2020 00:10

Else yes that's a massive problem and not probably one to discuss on this thread.

When the last of the final salary pensioners retire and the money purchase people start retiring there is a huge problem. The vast majority of people will not be able to afford a reasonable pension at all. Average money purchase pension pot is (from memory) 70k for men and 35k for women. That won't get you fuck all, even before the crash. Pensions are taxed. So double whammy. Pensioners with no pension and massive tax take reduction and an ageing population. I would like to think the govt are planning. I bet they aren't. Anyway as I say. Another thread.

binkydinky · 20/08/2020 00:16

Financial services are quite tricky in terms of relying on bonuses & high salaries. I get the angst because often it's not possible to maintain that level of salary for a long time eg burn out or losing it & trying to get another. However you are still getting a good basic wage & have your house paid off so you don't have that much to worry about. Why can't you still buy a house & pay it off on 250k per year?

NiceGerbil · 20/08/2020 00:18

The point is she didn't have to say how much she earned at all.

If she'd said, my role is one that has a large % of income as a bonus, but it's not guaranteed, and I'm worried about how to manage on half (or whatever) I've been banking on, response would have been different.

If you want to worry about this stuff as a high earner then talk to your colleagues who will have similar worries and as in same boat might have some ideas.

Coming on a site which is visited by a massively wide range of people and posting what she did is crass.

But then IME many high earners are clueless arseholes tbh. Even the ones who worked their way up turn this way when they go over a certain threshold. Generalising there obviously.

I think it's a defence reaction to guilt, personally. It you can make yourself believe, try really hard to make yourself believe, that you are just a different superior breed- cleverer, harder working, better... Then you can step over the homeless people in the city a little bit more easily.

Just my view, of course.