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To call the police on my brother

67 replies

JoesM12 · 17/08/2020 19:02

My brother and I had a great relationship growing up. We were really close and did a lot together. He’s 4 years older than me and when he got a long term girlfriend in his early 20’s we sort of drifted apart.
Anyway, his new girlfriend (they’ve been together 2 years on and off) fell pregnant in November last year after a month of them getting back together (again) after she left him after he’d been sleeping with someone else.
I never got involved in their relationship because I never knew the whole detail of what was going on and didn’t feel it was my place.
Back in July his girlfriend, 8 months pregnant, messaged me to say they’re having serious problems. That he’s been really controlling, telling her what she can and can not wear etc, telling her to shut up when she tries to talk to him etc. I spoke to her about it for comfort but it didn’t go much further.
Yesterday I had some more messages from her. Their baby is now 10 days old. Saying she had had enough. He was threatening to leave and take the baby because she asked him to go stay with friends for a few days. And she was scared to sleep incase he did take the baby. He said he was going to post nude photos of her online. He demands to be made breakfast. He does nothing for the baby and hasn’t even bought a pack of nappies. Her friend had to bring them nappies on Saturday because he wouldn’t go out and get some.
She said she didn’t even ask him to move in he just brought all his stuff to her flat one day after giving up his tenancy apparently to be there for her and the baby (more because he doesn’t want to pay for bills and rent on his own flat)
He apparently told her two days after giving birth “I don’t care if you’ve just given birth, you still have wife duties”
They aren’t married. He doesn’t work and actually quit his job while she was pregnant because he didn’t get on with his boss?!
They now live in her flat which she only got as a result of him kicking her out of his flat 6 months pregnant forcing her to go to the council and declare her self homeless.
His girlfriend is a really lovely girl and is 6 years younger than him. She asked me to try and speak to him.
I went round to try and talk to him like an adult and offer my help. As soon as I said he can’t be threatening to take the baby and leave he flipped.
Accusing me of all sorts. That everything that was happening was my fault for getting involved.
I’m very fortunate to be in a very loving relationship and my husband came with me for support for me and for my brothers girlfriend. He tried to talk to my brother but he wasn’t having any of it.
His girlfriend persistently asked him to leave because by this point he had became very aggressive, threatening and tormeatful towards me and her.
My brother has a history of being very verbally aggressive and has physically assaulted my mum in the past. For which now of course she and I have very little to do with him.
So yesterday he refused to leave and said the only way we’d get him out is by phoning the police. I don’t think he expected us to call his bluff. I then told him that’s what I’d do. If I was his partner there was no way I’d feel safe being alone with him last night so I wasnt prepared to leave knowing he was still there.
In the end his girlfriend called the police. I think she was scared of his reaction at first If she did but ultimately I think she realised it was the best thing for them all.
I encouraged her to call the police and now I don’t know if I feel guilty for aggravating the situation. I never once raised my voice or became aggressive towards him but I don’t know if I’ve done the right thing confronting him.
I felt an urge to protect as I am a mother myself and I know how vulnerable those first few weeks can be, never mind having an abbusive partner on top of that.
I’m not sure what I’m asking but I’d like to know what others would do in my situation?

OP posts:
kimmyst · 17/08/2020 20:07

Well done, it must have been so hard but you definitely did the right thing!
Can she get some panic alarms put in place? Unfortunately it seems he is in a downward spiral at the minute & it might help her to feel safer! I'm sure she really appreciates all your support in this.

JoesM12 · 17/08/2020 20:09

Thank you all so much for your kind messages.
Her and baby are doing well and she said she finally had a relaxing night with her baby.
She has an appointment with a social worker tomorrow so I am hoping they can give her more help with legal advice

OP posts:
CambsAlways · 17/08/2020 20:09

Poor girl and poor baby having a arse of a father like him, you did the right thing,

Jayaywhynot · 17/08/2020 20:10

Good for you OP, you absolutely did the right thing 100%.
I'm glad your brothers GF has you, you were both very brave Flowers

lyralalala · 17/08/2020 20:12

@JoesM12

Thank you all. I think he seems to think I ‘owe’ him or have to be on his side because we are related. I’ve never really stood up to him before because I have found him quite intimidating the past decade or so. I am glad I did what I did and I will of course continue to support her and my nephew
If you ever find yourself thinking of that then remember that you are related to your niece and because she can't protect herself you "owe" her more

Not that we owe anyone anything, but you get what I mean I hope.

Credenhill22 · 17/08/2020 20:14

If only there were more people in the world like you...you definitely did the right thing.
Be very proud of yourself ...brother or not.
Well done.

MeridianB · 17/08/2020 20:15

You definitely did the right thing. He’s a vile abusive bully and you all stood up to him.

More than anything, his GF and baby need to be safe. And you don’t want your tiny nephew growing up with this man as a role model and possibly repeating the same behaviour.

Every time you doubt yourself, think of the good it is doing for you nephew and his mother. They deserve peace, safety and security at this time and in the years ahead and your brother brings them the opposite of these.

Please stay strong.

Merryoldgoat · 17/08/2020 20:16

Has she registered the baby yet OP? If not advise her to go alone so she’s not forced to put his name on the birth certificate.

Well done for helping her. Your brother is a horrible and abusive man and she needs to get well away.

WiltedWillows · 17/08/2020 20:18

Your brother is an abusive vile man, yes call the Police and do everything you can to support the new mum and baby. Oh my I'm so mad for the poor woman. Thanks

GhostCurry · 17/08/2020 20:19

Please keep an eye on her OP. She is not out of danger.

JoesM12 · 17/08/2020 20:19

I don’t think baby is registered yet. I will definitely speak with her about it tomorrow.

I really hope she does stay away from him. Brother or not!

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Drogonssmile · 17/08/2020 20:20

Well done OP that sounds scary. You definitely did the right thing. Your baby niece/nephew and their mum are lucky to have you supporting them. Poor woman having to put up with that with a new baby.

ithinkiveseenthisfilmbefore · 17/08/2020 20:23

Please give a statement to the police backing up what you saw and heard from your brother: any threats, physical aggression, etc. anything that will help your 'sil' get him out of her life.

Oldbagface · 17/08/2020 20:27

Well done OP. Bloody bravo. You so did the right thing Flowers

Vodkacranberryplease · 17/08/2020 20:28

I was dreading reading the answers to this and am relieved we all feel the same way. You did the right thing and so did your DH. Well done Flowers

GhostCurry · 17/08/2020 20:28

“I really hope she does stay away from him. Brother or not!”

That’s only one concern.

The others are a) him not staying away from her and b) him following through on that revenge porn threat. (I know it’s not porn but it is compromising imagery). She should be aware of the laws around this in case he is stupid enough to try it.

Katinski · 17/08/2020 20:36

Buy someone DID vote that YABU Shock
This is an anonymous forum - would you care to tell us your reasons,poster?

Well done OP. Keep strong and cherish that baby of yours Smile

Stannisbaratheonsboxofmatches · 17/08/2020 20:36

I really hope he stays away! Do you know if there are any measures to make sure this happens - did the police actually come, and does he now have bail conditions? I hope so.

Social worker will hopefully help too.

I really agree with this:

If only every abuser had a family member like you, normally they make excuses or dont want to know.

It so common for family members of abusers either not to want to know, or get involved, or to feel they have to side with their “blood”.

I also agree with the pp who said always remember you are also related to your niece! I’m sure you will though as you and your DH sound lovely.

Jargo · 17/08/2020 20:37

Well done on calling the Police.

Did they advise anything, or have they removed him at all?

IdblowJonSnow · 17/08/2020 20:40

Well done OP. Must have been difficult but you definitely did the right thing.
Can she get rehoused so he doesn't know their address?

DianasLasso · 17/08/2020 20:43

Well done, OP. Hundred percent the right thing (but also something not everyone would do - far too many people pull the "blood is thicker than water" crappy excuse).

As others have said, keep an eye out for her.

Good advice about the birth registration, and also about seeing if the council can rehome her so he doesn't know her address.

Stannisbaratheonsboxofmatches · 17/08/2020 20:44

Katinski I always think those sort of 1%s must be either an error or someone pissing about.

Wishforsnow · 17/08/2020 20:45

You did the right thing. You should feel proud of yourself

JoesM12 · 17/08/2020 20:45

The police did remove him. They said the will put social services in touch with her to offer support and discuss restraining orders etc

OP posts:
Jargo · 17/08/2020 20:50

@JoesM12 that is good.

You should ask for social services / council to install a panic alarm too. You can also have them installed privately but try the council route first.

You may have to fight a bit for it I'm afraid.