To not let ex take DS to Ireland?

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My ex wants to take DS(3) to Ireland to stay with his parents for a few days- I agreed thinking that there would be no need to quarantine on return to U.K. but have now since realised that there is a requirement to isolate in Ireland for 14 days on arrival. They would only be staying at his parents house which is large and has a huge garden, and wouldn’t be going anywhere else but would they be allowed to even stay for 4 days and then leave the country again back to U.K.? I’m concerned they’ll be stuck over there. DS due to start preschool first week of September and don’t want him to miss it, as well as the thought of being without him for 2 weeks makes me an anxious mess. Ex and his family are very much the rules don’t apply to us kind of people so will get no help from them. Should I say no?

I don’t think they can go without quarantining when they get there - my brother has just had to cancel his holiday in Ireland for that reason.

Can you say no? What agreement do you have re holidays?

We are still married but separated a few months ago living separately. He’s taken our older DD away this summer to Italy which I had no problem with. I had some concerns about DS going anyway as he’s so young but he is his dad so legally I don’t really have a right to say no I guess but if I did refuse I think he’d respect it. The kids live with me full time and ex comes over to see them twice a week

The UK is not on our green list of safe countries, only essential travel is recommended and they would have to quarantine for 14 days.

Does your ex understand he would have to quarantine? And what that actually means?

Hi. You don't have to stay the 14 days in Ireland. I've had family return for shorter trips and return to uk after a few days. Its also not quarentine or isolate its 'restrict your movements'. You fill out a form but nobody offical checks really anyway. If they plan to just stay somewhere they are following the rules pretty much.

@missyB1i have asked him about all of this and he just says it’s fine

@beeboop2018 yes they would be staying on his parents property and not going anywhere apart from too and from the airport. They live on a farm with loads of land and animals so would be lovely for DS who has been stuck in lockdown in central
London. But not if he can’t come home again

But why would he get stuck over in Ireland. As I said multiple family members have come back recently to Ireland for a few days and returned to the UK. Also the UK will not impose a quarentine on people from Ireland due to the common travel area. They haven't in the worst of lock down so won't happen now.

What part of Ireland are we talking about? Some parts here in the South have seen a sharp rise in covid cases in the last weeks and some have gone back into lockdown.

You're misunderstanding.

They're not forbidden from returning earlier.

The virus takes 14 days to show symptoms, so if you're aiming to stay longer, then it's 14 days minimum before you can mix with people.

Ok thank you, sounds like it would be ok. It is in county Clare

It's fine, Ireland are imposing the 'restrict your movements' which he's doing anyway and UK don't care when he gets back, sounds ok to me.

I’ve been trying to find official information on short visits and all I can find is references to the 14 day quarantine

It's Ireland OP - the land of "the rules don't really apply to me" he'll be fine to come back after a few days.

They aren't checking if people quarantine over here.
And Co Clare should be fine - Co Laois, Offaly and Kildare are in lock-down due to some outbreaks in factories but the west has had low incidences so your son should be safe in Clare.

The only concern you should have is whether they are staying with relatives who are vulnerable - but that's not your call to make, it's the relatives I suppose.

Not ok. There is a 14 day quarantine for visitors to Ireland from GB.

What @Colom and @beeboop2018said said. Do keep an eye on the situation in Ireland, it is ever evolving.

Co clare and limerick are expected to be locked down early next week due to a sharp rise in cases. The priority is to get kids back to school at the start of September

If you think it would be a positive thing for your son to get out of London into some open space then I would do it. See below it states restrict movements for 14 days but do not have to stay 14 days. There is no 'quarentine' for Ireland. If they intend to restrict movements they are doing what's expected. There is a level of personal responsibility. Take precautions UK side prior to travel if can and be sensible in Ireland

www.gov.ie/en/publication/b4020-travelling-to-ireland-from-a-country-that-is-not-on-the-covid-19-travel-advice-list/

Co clare and limerick are expected to be locked down early next week due to a sharp rise in cases. The priority is to get kids back to school at the start of September Where are you hearing this @Jboure, the rise in Clare and Limerick is not 'sharp'.

Jboure

Source?

Where are you hearing this @Jboure, the rise in Clare and Limerick is not 'sharp'.

As of the start of this week, Clare had the next highest numbers per population after the LOK counties (which are locked down).

However they were still far below Offaly so I wouldn’t say lockdown is imminent.

@LaurieMarlow source, we are talking tiny numbers here, I use: donegal.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f5863a09f5b445cba1897841a6f9f57b have you something else?
We are talking about Limerick here also. @Jboure back up your comment.

Only if you’re planning on staying longer than 14 days. You can stay for a shorter period and the advice is to “restrict your movements”. There’s no obligation to quarantine.