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Countries that have successfully controlled the virus

105 replies

Cam77 · 14/08/2020 09:06

... so far. I’m thinking countries which had high numbers relative to their population but, in contrast to the vast majority of other countries, actually managed to get and stay on top of things. Which countries would meet that criteria? Well, from brief look at stats I think certainly China and South Korea. Possibly Malaysia. And that’s about it.

China, for example, had cases in the low thousands for quite a while but has basically not gone above double figures since the beginning of March. The spike in Beijing a month or two ago was no more than an isolated puddle in the end.

At the beginning of July, 10 million students in China safely sat their university entrance exams (their A-levels) and the country has been virtually mask free for a good two months. People are shopping and eating in restaurants, going to domestic leisure spots etc mask free across the vast majority of the country and have been doing so for a couple of months now.

(As an aside, it’s interesting how the Western media has gone pretty silent on China in this regard, only occasionally showing a picture of people wearing masks in Beijing - could it be because that is the only city among China’s 200 cities where masks are still commonplace?Surely not!)

Anyway, I’d be interested to hear from anyone, particularly those who are/were recently living in China and S.Korea recently, what in your opinion allowed their government/society to succeed in controlling it. What did they get right that every other country seems to have failed to do?

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KenDodd · 14/08/2020 10:19

My colleague was in China a few years ago when there was a really heavy snowfall. Hundreds of people were out shovelling the snow they just did it. Assume there must be some sort of requirement if your able bodied to just get in with it. How many people would just get on with it like that in the UK if it was a requirement.

I'm not sure it's just down to compulsion. I think the culture is different in China in that people care more about society as a whole and the individual is less important, here we are more individualistic. That's my impression anyway.

shinyredbus · 14/08/2020 10:21

You’re naive if you believe a word that comes out of China. 🤦🏻‍♀️

dreamingbohemian · 14/08/2020 10:23

As for 'baseless anti-China stuff' I don't see the problem criticising a government that is currently perpetrating genocide in Xinjiang, and whose lies about the virus early on are what allowed it to become a global pandemic. We only found out the true nature of what was going on thanks to some brave Chinese whistleblowers.

It's an enormous country and it's difficult to know what's really happening out in the more rural areas. Anyway we're not likely to get many usable lessons from a totalitarian country. You could not have done to London what they did to Wuhan.

South Korea is a better model to look at especially as it's more analogous to the UK in size.

Chaosalways · 14/08/2020 10:31

I can't believe anyone actually believes the stats coming from China.

Also all those who keep banging on about how wonderful China is.

The fucking whole thing started there or are we all forgetting??

I mean come on ffs.

ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress · 14/08/2020 10:55

Haven't seen anyone banging on about how wonderful China is tbf.

Chloemol has it right I think. The situation isn't, as too many posters seem to think and say, a Country X is wrong, Country Y is right. Lots of countries have mishandled this spectacularly. And history will show that. Others have done the best they could with what was thrown at them.

KatherineJaneway · 14/08/2020 11:00

South Korea quickly had a strict track, trace and test in place. Including using credit card transactions, CCTV and GPS phone tracking to monitor movements. Can you imagine the uproar if this Government had done that.

Badbadbunny · 14/08/2020 11:01

[quote Cam77]@Valkadin
People in Britain (and across the world) have been very willing to make huge sacrifices to potentially save the lives of vulnerable strangers. The “mistake” Boris and co made at the beginning was to think that people “couldn’t” go for a months without the pub. That British people “couldn’t” wear a mask to a shop. That they “couldn’t” accept a temporary 20% fall in GDP to keep hundreds of thousands of vulnerable people alive. In fact they were happy to make those sacrifices. Had they been told such sacrifices were necessary earlier, lives would have been saved and we’d been a much stronger position with the virus heading into Septermber..[/quote]
Rubbish, People were told to wash their hands, social distance, avoid large gatherings, etc back as far as late February/early March. The "usual suspects" couldn't be bothered and continued to do what the hell they liked. In the week before lockdown, the Friday evening in fact, it was announced pubs had to close that day - did everyone stay in, no did they hell - they went out and crowded the pubs that were still open - in our village, there was such a crowd outside, the police came and instructed it to close! People with symptoms still went to Cheltenham and Anfield (and a pop concert). People still flew out on holiday the day before lockdown when it was obvious other countries were closing borders and shutting down. Yes, lots of sensible people were doing the "right" things from end Feb/Early March, but there was also a significant minority of idiots in denial who just continued doing what they wanted to do. Many still did even in lockdown!

LonelyFromCorona · 14/08/2020 11:18

Control the virus
Go to work
Sit in the sun
Stay alert

Cam77 · 14/08/2020 11:25

@minnieok
Your information is at least two months out of date. Virtually nobody is wearing masks in China now. They haven’t been for two months or more.

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Cam77 · 14/08/2020 11:28

@Badbadbunny
Oh I must have dreamt Boris Johnson shaking hands with hospital patients on 3rd of March! I must have dreamt Chris Witty telling everyone on the 13th March that the plan is for 60% to get infected! Britain gives China a run for its money e historical revisionism is concerned.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/05/boris-johnson-boasted-of-shaking-hands-on-day-sage-warned-not-to
www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-herd-immunity-uk-nhs-outbreak-pandemic-government-a9399101.html

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ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress · 14/08/2020 11:46

Cam- I pointed those exact examples on another thread and was shouted down as remembering wrongly. Thankfully the footage is on YouTube. Wink

Cam77 · 14/08/2020 11:52

@ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress
Yes people seem to want to forget how frighteningly incompetent our leaders were. I understand it in a way, but forgetting doesn’t really help long term!

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ballsdeep · 14/08/2020 11:55

I think China are lying and I hope there'll be massive repercussions for China after this.

Chanjer · 14/08/2020 12:04

I love this notion that the British won't be told what to do and are some kind of rebellious miscreants Grin

Literally some of the most meek people in Europe, love standing in lines and whining, hate taking any action that might inconvenience them

user1468867871 · 14/08/2020 12:16

Sweden- they have reached herd immunity without locking down. The space below the curve is comparable to that of UK. Also, they will not have the huge mental health problems caused by lockdown or an unimaginable recession, which in itself will lead I’m sure to many deaths. And before someone else says it, the U.K. did not protect the elderly either!
www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-dangerous-is-covid-a-swedish-doctor-s-perspective/amp?__twitter_impression=true

unherd.com/2020/08/why-sweden-is-different-when-it-comes-to-covid/

www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-08-07/sweden-reports-no-new-deaths-caused-by-coronavirus?__twitter_impression=true

ballsdeep · 14/08/2020 12:17

@KatherineJaneway

South Korea quickly had a strict track, trace and test in place. Including using credit card transactions, CCTV and GPS phone tracking to monitor movements. Can you imagine the uproar if this Government had done that.
I wish they would and we could get back to normal sooner
HopelessSemantics · 14/08/2020 12:19

"comparing the UK to countries where the government has totalitarian control is a good thing."

What, like Korea and Taiwan??

Are you joking?

KenDodd · 14/08/2020 12:45

I think China are lying and I hope there'll be massive repercussions for China after this.

Do you remember BSE and the UK government's management of this? A new disease, repeated denial that beef was a problem despite all the evidence it was, force feeding foreign politicians beef, (dinners, with only beef on the menu, no alternative). We got lucky with BSE/CJD in that it didn't turn out to be as bad as it could. This isn't to defend China either, with better leadership (both inside and outside China) covid could have been extinguished completely. Also, we are in no position in the UK to throw stones at lying governments with the lot we've got at the moment.

Cam77 · 14/08/2020 12:48

@ballsdeep
Lying about what exactly? China isn’t some secret state like N.Korea. They quarantined an entire modern city of 10 million people at a time when the leader of the free world was calling it “a bit of flu”. They’re now reaping the benefits of their targeted and decisive early actions.

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HopelessSemantics · 14/08/2020 12:56

@Cam77 China literally has work camps that they try to cover up. Their president is a dictator. The citizens are basically traced everywhere they go.

I get heartily sick of the "sneaky Asian" stereotypes because it's not like our government is trustworthy either, but let's not pretend China are benevolent.

ThatLibraryMiss · 14/08/2020 13:00

YABVVU to post this in AIBU and not in the coronavirus section.

BingoGo · 14/08/2020 13:05

[quote user1468867871]Sweden- they have reached herd immunity without locking down. The space below the curve is comparable to that of UK. Also, they will not have the huge mental health problems caused by lockdown or an unimaginable recession, which in itself will lead I’m sure to many deaths. And before someone else says it, the U.K. did not protect the elderly either!
www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-dangerous-is-covid-a-swedish-doctor-s-perspective/amp?__twitter_impression=true

unherd.com/2020/08/why-sweden-is-different-when-it-comes-to-covid/

www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-08-07/sweden-reports-no-new-deaths-caused-by-coronavirus?__twitter_impression=true[/quote]
Sweden has not reached herd immunity! Dozens of Swedish medical staff warned other countries of not doing it the Swedish way as they were struggling when it was worst. Literally the worst country affected in Scandinavia and one of the worst (per capita) in Europe. If you want a good example, Norway is where it's at.

HopelessSemantics · 14/08/2020 13:07

"Sweden- they have reached herd immunity without locking down. The space below the curve is comparable to that of UK. Also, they will not have the huge mental health problems caused by lockdown"

I really don't think they have reached herd immunity.

No one seems to consider the mh problems caused by seeing scores of your friends and neighbours suffer or die.

ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress · 14/08/2020 13:09

ThatLibraryMiss...aww, was the title not clear enough?
Or is it a slow day in ThatLibrary so you've taken to policing MN?

vanillandhoney · 14/08/2020 13:12

[quote Cam77]@ballsdeep
Lying about what exactly? China isn’t some secret state like N.Korea. They quarantined an entire modern city of 10 million people at a time when the leader of the free world was calling it “a bit of flu”. They’re now reaping the benefits of their targeted and decisive early actions.[/quote]
China have work and labour camps.
They track people's movements.
They have a system in place that stops people gaining access to certain places if they don't behave "properly". That's places like nice restaurants, public transport, certain schools for their children.
If you believe in certain religions, you're taken away to be "re-educated".
They welded people into their own homes in order to keep the virus under control.

Sounds like North Korea to me!