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Disappointed secondary schools are reopening

397 replies

wovengrass · 13/08/2020 20:06

I'm hoping for a sensible exchange of ideas on this.
I understand the importance of children missing out on learning, but I can't help but feel that a full reopening of all secondary schools in the UK at the same time is madness.
I strongly feel that it would have been better to spend time/money on making home learning a realistic and standardised solution, as well as putting plans in place for the children that need further support. That way if any future outbreaks happen we aren't just hoping for the best and blindly following this idea that "schools must be the last place to close no matter what."

I also can't get my head around the logistics, locally. The local secondary that my nephew attends (there are several large ones near to me) has over 1000 students, many rely on public transport to get there. With reduced space on transport due to social distancing, I wonder how children will actually all make it to school on time? Many schools are also not allowing children who are late to enter, to avoid the crossing of year group bubbles.

Throw also into the mix that many adult will be relying on the same transport to return to work. I'm genuinely wondering how on earth it is realistic?

I think primary and nursery schools are a different thing entirely, and obviously childcare is a factor then also. But putting 1000 teenagers/young adults + teacher staff into a building with no masks and no country-wide home learning plan if things go wrong, seems absolutely nuts to me.

Just wondering what others think about this?

OP posts:
popcornlover · 14/08/2020 15:13

Sigh OP. Moaning that secondary schools should be shut, then next year you’ll be on here crying about crap GCSE results. Everyone wanted the schools closed (remember the uproar?), now they’re all whinging about poor exam results...Kids were not in that much danger in the first place. Hate to say I told you so.

ineedaholidaynow · 14/08/2020 15:15

Have you read any of the thread @popcornlover?

Delatron · 14/08/2020 15:16

Ah sorry didn’t realise this was a thread for teachers!

They won’t close all the schools again and there won’t be another national lockdown.

I must have misunderstood the title of the thread.

Can’t wait for mine to go back in a few weeks, along with most parents I know in real life.

ineedaholidaynow · 14/08/2020 15:21

Because most parents on here are just saying schools need to open, but seem to be ignoring the elephant in the room that many schools are likely to close at regular intervals and that many pupils will be disadvantaged and that the Government could help with this, but they haven't. By the way I am not a teacher.

itsgettingweird · 14/08/2020 15:23

@Delatron

Ah sorry didn’t realise this was a thread for teachers!

They won’t close all the schools again and there won’t be another national lockdown.

I must have misunderstood the title of the thread.

Can’t wait for mine to go back in a few weeks, along with most parents I know in real life.

Eh?

That avoided questions.

It isn't a thread for teachers - I'm not one!

You don't know schools won't shut down.

And how will you feel if your child's bubble or school shuts for 2/3 weeks in November and their peers are in school around the country receiving an education whilst yours isn't with no actual plan or set way the school have to teach?

I'm assuming you won't care?

welcometohell · 14/08/2020 15:25

Are there any secondary teachers on here? Please share what your school is doing and what you have been asked to do to facilitate schools opening in Sept. Some of you seem to think schools are going to open with no thought put into it and no SD in place. I highly doubt that.

Not a Teacher but I work in a large Secondary school.

Year group "Bubbles" of 280+ students. Teachers and TA's will move between Bubbles. There are a high proportion of students with siblings in another year group so bubbles will naturally be burst but there's nothing anyone can do about that. Bubbles will also mix on the journey to school if they travel by Bus and obviously we can't stop students from different year groups walking to and from school together or socialising in the local community.

SD is simply not possible as the classrooms are not nearly big enough. In most of our rooms, the Teacher would have to stand in the corridor to be 1m away from students. For students to SD from each other we would have to halve our class sizes and there aren't enough rooms to make that possible. The DofE have stated that staff should SD from each other and we will all do our best, but again most of our offices/rooms don't allow for this.

Staggered lunch times and break times. Canteen will be open as normal.

PE is still happening but no clubs, at least initially.

No parents allowed on site unless by prior appointment. External professionals such as counsellors, speech therapists, Educational psychologists, social workers, specialist teachers and OT's etc etc will still be permitted to come in to work with students. Assemblies, parent events, open evenings etc will all be virtual.

One way system in (tiny) corridors- unfortunately this proved very difficult to enforce even with the small number of keyworker/vulnerable students who were in school during lockdown but it remains an expectation.

Students will be asked to sanitise their hands on entering and leaving a classroom. Staff will do the same.

Students will be asked to avoid sharing equipment, passing notes etc where possible- again this proved very difficult to enforce during lockdown but we will persist. During lessons that rely on a lot of shared equipment like Music, Tech, Science etc I expect Teaching staff will spend a lot of time frantically wiping things down. Obviously, students will all be using the communal toilets, sinks, canteen furniture etc and it's not possible to clean these between each student but again, not much we can do about that.

Staff can wear masks if they choose to do so but the vast majority won't. Students will not be expected to wear masks in school. They are supposed to wear them on the Bus but as there will be no adults supervision and the bus is like Lord of the Flies anyway by all accounts I have my doubts! Staff will use PPE when administering first aid.

Extra cleaning has been put in place- although we have no money to hire any extra cleaners so I worry for our existing team of cleaners who all seem to be well over 50 and a couple in particular reel off a long list of ailments whenever I ask how they are. They are going to be knackered.

Delatron · 14/08/2020 15:33

Two weeks? They’ve been off for 6 months.

After months of homeschooling I’m sure I’d cope with two weeks...

ineedaholidaynow · 14/08/2020 15:34

And what if that 2 weeks happens regularly?

Delatron · 14/08/2020 15:39

So many ‘what ifs?’

This is not a reason not to reopen schools in two weeks...

What’s your idea? Not bother? Shall we all go to the pub and soft play but not bother trying to get children back to school. Great plan.

itsgettingweird · 14/08/2020 15:39

@Delatron

Two weeks? They’ve been off for 6 months.

After months of homeschooling I’m sure I’d cope with two weeks...

But then that is nit schools opening.

Teachers want them open and to stay open.

Hence wanting the safety measures for that to happen.

cardibach · 14/08/2020 15:41

@Delatron

You do have choice though? Deregister and home school? I don’t understand the argument.

Send your kids in if you’re happy with the risk. Don’t if you’re not. The schools will be reopening though..

@Delatron, do you really not understand that this thread is about HOW to open schools, not WHETHER they should open? You aren’t alone, it good God, it’s driving me nuts. Nobody is saying schools should stay closed. That’s not what we are trying to get you to see/discuss. We are asking how to make that safe and sustainable. And yes, if 50% of children suddenly become home educated and the government doesn’t make schools drop staff numbers as a result it would solve the problem. But neither of those things will happen. So, given that secondary has no social distancing and no PPE unlike ANY other sector, why so you think it will all be hunky dory? And don’t you think having a plan to keep schools open would be a good idea?
itsgettingweird · 14/08/2020 15:41

And they weren't "off for 6 months"

Those who had no in school time missed 15 weeks.

And schools were still teaching.

The issue was the discrepancy between what some students got and others.

This discrepancy is all due to them nit having, implementing a plan and not funding schools enough to provide the education our pupils deserved during this time.

Delatron · 14/08/2020 15:42

I’m happy with the safety measures my school is implementing though?

If you’re not then do something about it rather than whinging and arguing on an Internet forum.

ineedaholidaynow · 14/08/2020 15:43

But we are not saying not open but we saying to have a plan B across the country to help students if schools close.

Or do you not think that is not necessary as it is just an ‘if’ and if you happen to be an unfortunate Y11 in a high risk area which was probably an area where the provision of remote learning was probably pretty rubbish last term (because there was no standard provision) that is just tough luck.

Devlesko · 14/08/2020 15:45

Pre schools are the most worrying as under 5's are the super spreaders. They have 10/100% more viral load than 5-17 year olds.
It's the tots that are going to spread the virus.
It's the nurseries that should close. But they won't because there would be an uproar about parents missing childcare.
So, look out for a big peak throughout winter when everyone is back to work.

ineedaholidaynow · 14/08/2020 15:45

But we are talking about a level playing field @Delatron we are looking out for other pupils not just your school.

LesLavandes · 14/08/2020 15:50

Agree popcorn lover. My son goes to full tome boarding school and in his A level year from September.

I feel for these children near end of their school life whose last year might be ruined

Delatron · 14/08/2020 15:51

So you want a back up plan if schools close again? That’s not what the thread title is saying.

I think we saw that the provision varied widely between schools last time. Yes we’d love them all to provide amazing online provision but they don’t!!

cardibach · 14/08/2020 15:55

@Delatron

I’m happy with the safety measures my school is implementing though?

If you’re not then do something about it rather than whinging and arguing on an Internet forum.

Is yours a primary or a secondary? I can see it being nearly possible in a primary, but for reasons I and others have written up thread, secondaries can’t put anything meaningful in place. I’m happy the school I work in has done its best, but it probably won’t be enough to stop year groups closing/the whole school closing, possibly semi-regularly. I hope I’m wrong. Just think it’s safer to act as though I’m right, but we can’t.
Mistlewoeandwhine · 14/08/2020 15:55

Everyone saying we have to “live with it” is not imagining their own child dying of it. My healthy, slim 14 yr old had it at the end of May and was dreadfully unwell, the most ill I’ve ever seen him in my life. He was nearly hospitalised due to his extremely fast heartbeat and dehydration. My husband still hasn’t recovered from it fully. He (again had a recent check up and is a very healthy guy) can’t do gardening etc without two days in bed afterwards. Thank God he has a desk job. This is a thing which can destroy your life.

Delatron · 14/08/2020 15:56

I understand. What is your alternative idea to secondary schools going back though?

cardibach · 14/08/2020 15:56

@Delatron

So you want a back up plan if schools close again? That’s not what the thread title is saying.

I think we saw that the provision varied widely between schools last time. Yes we’d love them all to provide amazing online provision but they don’t!!

Perhaps read the OP as well as the title. It’s clear about worrying about a full time, all in as normal opening and about wanting a plan B for inevitable (in my opinion) future closures.
Mistlewoeandwhine · 14/08/2020 15:57

The government should at least have an educational TV (or 2) running with lessons on the core subjects for KS1, KS2 and KS3 then focused GCSE lessons for older kids.

cardibach · 14/08/2020 15:58

@Delatron

I understand. What is your alternative idea to secondary schools going back though?
Jesus. Nobody is looking for an alternative to them going back. Just a sustainable model to reduce the chance of frequent closure and a plan for what happens when they have to close/children have to self isolate. I repeat. This is not about keeping schools closed but about how to open safely.
Delatron · 14/08/2020 16:00

Do you have ideas though? What would your plan B look like? What’s this ‘safe model’?

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