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A’Level disasters 😔😣

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OverTheRainbow88 · 13/08/2020 11:17

Any other schools been majorly hit?

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Toptotoeunicolour · 13/08/2020 14:13

All is not well in the private schools. The schools downgraded the most are large population, consistently high performing. It is an utter disgrace. My son has lost his first choice and the school has the worst results it has ever had apparently (according to headmaster, don't know the overall numbers though). This "algorithm" is an utter mystery, and so unbelievably random. Gavin Williamson really has to resign.

Xiaoxiong · 13/08/2020 14:13

RunningAway I think any comment from any school this year along those lines would be crass. If they said their usual "oh look how many of our kids are off to uni" that would seem braggy and kind of nasty considering what a shitshow this is for many. If they said "our kids were hit hard by the algorithm" it would seem like sour grapes. Thank goodness they've had the sense to keep quiet.

Rebelwithallthecause · 13/08/2020 14:14

@MiniCooperLover

Niece was predicted AAB and was given CCD 😳 Luckily she had an unconditional offer from Swansea but Liverpool pulled her offer based on those. She's in a Grammar in a good area so not just poor schools/areas. Friend who teaches 6th form said a lot of her students have been downgraded 2 levels 🤦‍♀️
This is shocking I didn’t realise it was as bad as this
Xiaoxiong · 13/08/2020 14:14

Though I'm sorry they haven't managed your DS's SN well, I hope they pull their fingers out this year and give him the support he needs.

HipTightOnions · 13/08/2020 14:14

Do kids know their CAGs as opposed to their UCAS predictions?

We were not allowed to release them until today. Different schools will have different procedures for this.

starrynight19 · 13/08/2020 14:14

Exactly smileeachday AngrySad

JanewaysBun · 13/08/2020 14:14

What happens if you are home schooled?

kerstina · 13/08/2020 14:15

Absolutely fuming . Son had predicted grades B , A and B actually got E , D and E in Maths , Business and History . How can that be FAIR . Have been in touch with local MP

Duemarch2021 · 13/08/2020 14:15

You'd think they would upgrade the marks rather than downgrade

PurpleDaisies · 13/08/2020 14:16

What do you mean by that @Duemarch2021? I don’t understand.

Katjolo · 13/08/2020 14:16

This is outrageous! I feel so sorry for the youngsters. Absolute madness.

myrtleWilson · 13/08/2020 14:17

@IrmaFayLear

Do kids know their CAGs as opposed to their UCAS predictions? Surely there will be less complaining if they find that Miss Bullface officially submitted them a B and not the A* they had on the university application?
I have definitely seen on Twitter a pupil at a school in Hartlepool had a form with their UCAS Grades/CAG/Awarded set out in tabular form...
HappySonHappyMum · 13/08/2020 14:17

It looks like my son was exceptionally lucky - I am so sorry for those who have got grades they weren't expecting this morning. He was predicted C (A level) and DD (BTEC). That's what he received this morning. He is over the moon and bouncing round the room as his paid apprenticeship is secured. I hope everyone manages to get into Uni courses and move on from this successfully. It's a total shambles.

WombatChocolate · 13/08/2020 14:17

It’s right that 16% of ucas grades are achieved. So every year even when exams have been sat most are disappointed but quickly get over it as they still get their uni place.

Most schools over predict and there are strong incentives to do so. Without the prediction you won’t get the offer. Even without meeting the offer, most courses even at v good unis will still take students who missed by 1 or 2 grades. So the key is to get the offer in the first place.

And then these CAGs given by teachers ....not as generous as ucas because teachers knew historical performance would be looked at, but still predicting at a level over 10% better than last year. This shows those grades weren’t realistic. But teachers gave them because they knew there would be downgrading, they were meant to remain unknown to students and if you were going to be downgraded it was better to be from a lower base.

The trouble is, most students just don’t actually have an entirely realistic sense of what they are on track for or what similar students to them in previous years who went to the uni courses they are keen for, actually achieved in A levels - it’s all lower than they think.

And to everyone saying it’s wrong to base on previous performance, in these circumstances when exams weren’t possible, it really was the only way. Actually school performance is pretty consistent to within a very few percentages over time. Schools with historical low performance weren’t going to get stellar results in exams this year and the top performing schools weeent going to bomb. People don’t like this, but it is the reality.

This is an awful year for the students. Although most results would have been very similar to what was awRded today if exams were sat, any element of control that the students had is gone. Politically it is hard to deal with - government would like to be able to say all students can have top grades, to avoid criticism. Scotland went a big step towards doing this. And yet government wants integrity for grades across time. Even with these so hugely disappointing results, they were alreDy 2% up on last year - that’s a lot. And they panicked following Scotland and looked for a way to further boost grades which wouldn’t be as drastic, as most people’s mocks won’t be higher than the teacher grade, but it feels like some control is returned ....although actually that’s backfired as fury will grow when people realise not all schools had even done mocks or some are strict and harshly graded and some almost open book and lightly marked and there will be some government won’t accept...so there’s no level playing field added there. Actually better schools are more likely to have what’s needed for the appeals and to push students through the process.

How could it have been better? If schools had been told to spell out to students what their usual performance over 3 years was and that this years results would be similar. This would help, plus making student aware than less than 20% of ucas grades are achieved. Unfortunately, expectations needed to be lowered for this all not to be devasatating, but expectations weren’t lowered and government have strung out the upset by having an appeals system which isn’t even yet decided so no one who is disappointed knows whether to try to accept it and move on or live in hope. And all that shit is before you even get to the nightmare of unis trying to allocate places and accommodation when they don’t know how many who failed to meet their offer later will...or even when.

Terrible management of a situation which was alwYs going to be hard to deal with.

fatisnotafeeling · 13/08/2020 14:18

My DD got her results today and got a BCC she was predicted a AAB and her mocks were ABC, her top university pulled her place so she is so so disappointed and I feel so angry on her behalf.

It's happened to a few of them in my DDs college, my friends DD got a D in one subject and her mock she got a B and my DDs boyfriend got 100% in his mock so an A* but was only awarded an A. He obtained the grades he needed for his top university so isn't overly worried but for people like my DD who was working incredibly hard to push her grades up to get into the university she so wanted it feels so unfair.

Xiaoxiong · 13/08/2020 14:19

Smile that appears to show that the high SES schools inflated their grades the least, so when the algorithm moderated them back down to be in line with 2019 results, it didn't have to moderate them down as far as the low SES schools to be in line with last year.

What it also shows is that after moderation, the top grades in low SES schools went up 2% relative to last year, whereas the high SES schools only went up 0.67% relative to last year.

lyralalala · 13/08/2020 14:19

@IrmaFayLear

Do kids know their CAGs as opposed to their UCAS predictions? Surely there will be less complaining if they find that Miss Bullface officially submitted them a B and not the A* they had on the university application?
The school mine go too shared them this morning if the kids asked.
Xiaoxiong · 13/08/2020 14:20

So I think on that basis you could argue that the % of A-C grades at low SES schools were given more of a boost by the algorithm than the high SES schools.

WombatChocolate · 13/08/2020 14:20

So even though students may have been told CAGs today, until today their wildly optimistic UCAS grade was their reference point. That has made the gap in attainment harder for many to understand and come to terms with.

Baaaahhhhh · 13/08/2020 14:20

All is not well in the private schools

This. DD is year 12 moving to year 13, but has many friends in year 13, and at three or four local private schools. They have all had a hit from the "ranking". So, they have historically all had 85%+ A/A's - but because of ranking, we assume this is now not allowed by the algorithm, and someone at the bottom of the ranking therefore has to get a B or C. Can this be right, when historically for some subjects, they have had 100% A/A.

safariboot · 13/08/2020 14:21

The whole business is a fiasco.

And a significant contributing factor is the abolition of module exams, by David Cameron's Conservative government.

Imagine if we still had the modular system we had in the 00s. No need for teacher predictions and this "moderation" process that has become a hot-button issue. Pupils would simply get a provisional grade based on the official exams they had already taken. Those who want a higher grade would have the option to take their remaining exams when they are next offered.

But no, apparently that system was too easy and the Tory government wanted to "get tough".

Nobody specifically predicted a viral pandemic in 2020, but the risk that something, some year, might cause large-scale disruption to exams should have been considered by anyone competent. Weather, riots, strikes, etc. Basing the entire grade on a single final exam obviously worsens the consequences.

Zhampagne · 13/08/2020 14:21

@Bouledeneige

My DS just told me of a friend at school who was not A star material but decided he wanted to apply for Oxbridge. He therefore asked his teachers to give him good predictions which they duly did. They predicted A* AA (or thereabouts) and he was offered a place - a realistic assessment would have been more like BBB. Today he got his results and got ABC and apparently the college accepted him on the basis of his predictions. I'm not sure if thats entirely correct in detail but its the gist (DS gets arsey if I keep asking details!!).

However, I'm not sure that if its true that its done the student any favours. Oxford is very hard work and many excellently qualified students find it extremely taxing. This friend might really struggle to keep up if he doesn't bring his A game. So I'm not sure inflated grading really does anyone a favour. Just an anecdote - not trying to rub salt in any wounds.

I’d take that with a massive pinch of salt. Colleges interview. The admissions tutors wouldn’t waste an offer on him if they thought that his predictions were inflated.
myrtleWilson · 13/08/2020 14:22

Apologies - it wasn't UCAS but mocks grades on the Hartlepool tweet
twitter.com/emilypettite/status/1293823551506731008

lyralalala · 13/08/2020 14:22

@AmyandPhilipfan

With regard to kids missing out on their uni place this year, while I fully understand that might feel devastating to them now, it might be for the best anyway to resit/appeal and apply for next year. Hopefully next year uni life will be much more ‘normal’ and fun. This year I can see a lot of the fun stuff being cancelled. Hasn’t at least one of the unis said they’re going to be fully online only for this next year? I wouldn’t want that personally. Much better for a young person to physically go to lectures and enjoy a social life too.
Going to uni next year rather than this should have been a choice for the kids to make. Not one that was forced upon them.
titchy · 13/08/2020 14:23

And a significant contributing factor is the abolition of module exams, by David Cameron's Conservative government.

Imagine if we still had AS levels like Wales do?! Thanks Michael Gove for abolishing them. Angry

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