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To worry most people won’t ever ‘get it’

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OverTheRainbow88 · 09/08/2020 20:00

All the marches, Protests etc and people still don’t seem to understand!

Will they ever?

To worry most people won’t ever ‘get it’
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SimonJT · 09/08/2020 20:31

I see the “but what about white people” are here Hmm

Zany15 · 09/08/2020 20:31

In total agreement about the professionally offended. It's not racism, and I don't believe any young reader would feel upset by the reference to the mermaid's hair. It takes a pearl clutching adult to be offended by what they perceive to be a racial insult, whereas in fact they are only jumping on the current BLM bandwagon waiting to be lauded for their hand wringing at the most minor transgression.

RyanBergarasTeeth · 09/08/2020 20:31

This one.

To worry most people won’t ever ‘get it’
BrutusMcDogface · 09/08/2020 20:31

I also get it. Totally. Utterly thoughtless and definitely racist. Why couldn’t her scales have been too shiny, or something?!

RyanBergarasTeeth · 09/08/2020 20:33

I also get it. Totally. Utterly thoughtless and definitely racist. Why couldn’t her scales have been too shiny, or something?!

In other versions of the book they are.

BrutusMcDogface · 09/08/2020 20:33

It’s not about being “professionally offended”! Blimey.

BrutusMcDogface · 09/08/2020 20:34

Wow, so in the actual book it’s that one on the front cover whose hair is too fluffy?

RyanBergarasTeeth · 09/08/2020 20:35

More.

To worry most people won’t ever ‘get it’
SimonJT · 09/08/2020 20:35

@BrutusMcDogface

It’s not about being “professionally offended”! Blimey.
Scary isn’t it.

People who come out with things like “professionally offended”, “but what about white people”, “the race card” etc all belong to the same little club.

itsgettingweird · 09/08/2020 20:35

Ouch. Someone's attempt at being inclusive and PC backfired.

It's a book that is exactly the same as has been published for years. My ds is 16 and has these as a baby!

They've tried to be inclusive by representing different skin colours. Except then you have the black mermaid with fluffy hair.

I don't think it's racist - racism is a deliberate attempt to harm or stereotype due to race.

I do wonder if they had changed the wording so it said "my hair is too smooth" for the black mermaid how many people would be up in arms saying it's bad because black peoples with Afro hair would be offended because they don't have smooth straight hair.

Educating people about why something may be offensive is fine - accusing people of racism for a simple act that went wrong isn't imo.

Moomin12345 · 09/08/2020 20:36

Oh dear.

C130 · 09/08/2020 20:36

@heartsonacake

Oh I see the professionally offended are out in force again today Hmm There isn’t an issue here; people are making a mountain out of a molehill.

Tesco have only apologised because they felt forced into doing so; they shouldn’t have.

That is your opinion, I take it that you understand the history of African hair, and how it has been derided and seen as a problem? Well if you do then you should understand how this could make a black child feel about their hair. Tesco have rightly apologised. How they could not have forseen how this move would not be acceptable to plenty of people speaks volumes.
newyearnoeu · 09/08/2020 20:36

Just trying what to think what they could have replaced "fluffy" with.in this instance... because obviously the connotations with this and the black mermaid aren't the same as with all the other white mermaids - but the problem is there are few "feeling" descriptive words that wouldn't have some negative connotations given the issues around black women and their hair....as well as fluffy, anything like "coarse" or "rough" or "knotty" would have to be out for the same reasons, but even something that's more complimentary would be an issue because if it was "that's not my mermaid her hair is too smooth/shiny" it would suggest black people can't have smooth/shiny hair!

I wouldn't want the black mermaid book to be withdrawn completely because I agree with the idea of having increased representation and can imagine little black girls would love it....would it be better to just remove the hair texture page completely but keep the less culturally awkward clip/tail pages?

The only other suggestion I could think of is maybe her hair being too "dry" (because mermaids live underwater) but even that has its issues....

RyanBergarasTeeth · 09/08/2020 20:37

The first one is acceptable but not this one. Seems actually more racist to say they couldnt change the colour of the mermaid whilst keeping the exact same words.

To worry most people won’t ever ‘get it’
Lelophants · 09/08/2020 20:38

they made that a t-shirt?

Why? Hmm

Lelophants · 09/08/2020 20:39

Because they're saying how black girls never get to be mermaids? So it's anti racism right? And it's being sarcastic.

Livelovebehappy · 09/08/2020 20:39

Never have I heard anyone criticise a black girl’s hair. In fact I heard many comments when at secondary school of how jealous other girls were of their hair. It’s just mind boggling that people are actually seeing anything derogatory about this book. There was also a mermaid with blond fuzzy hair. The author was clearly trying to be inclusive but unfortunately fell victim to those people who spend their days looking for something to be offended by.

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire · 09/08/2020 20:41

I don't get it.

C130 · 09/08/2020 20:41

@Zany15

In total agreement about the professionally offended. It's not racism, and I don't believe any young reader would feel upset by the reference to the mermaid's hair. It takes a pearl clutching adult to be offended by what they perceive to be a racial insult, whereas in fact they are only jumping on the current BLM bandwagon waiting to be lauded for their hand wringing at the most minor transgression.
The transgressions add up though do they not? Maybe, just maybe there have been too many, for too long! You have not been on the receiving end, so can afford to be so dismissive.
SimonJT · 09/08/2020 20:42

@Livelovebehappy

Never have I heard anyone criticise a black girl’s hair. In fact I heard many comments when at secondary school of how jealous other girls were of their hair. It’s just mind boggling that people are actually seeing anything derogatory about this book. There was also a mermaid with blond fuzzy hair. The author was clearly trying to be inclusive but unfortunately fell victim to those people who spend their days looking for something to be offended by.
Black children with afro or traditional hairstyles are often banned from having them at school. Adults are often considered scruffy for having afro or traditional hairstyles and are often expected to undergo damaging treatments to make their hair more acceptable e.g more western.

Black people with afro hair have a particular problem in that it is almost fetishised, people wanting to do innapropriate things like touch it, make weird comments about it etc.

TheHumanRubbishBin · 09/08/2020 20:42

HAIR DISCRIMINATION IS A REAL THING

& all the white women claiming "I have fluffy hair and I'm not offended" can fuck right off.

Glamazoni · 09/08/2020 20:44

My son has a similar book with “That’s my pirate, his beard is so fluffy”. The pirate is black. Nobody seems to be complaining about that though?

Tbh I’m surprised nobody is complaining about it being a mermaid instead of a merperson. What defines the mermaid as female anyway? She clearly doesn’t have lady parts because she’s a fish from the waist down.

PicsInRed · 09/08/2020 20:44

@Livelovebehappy

Never have I heard anyone criticise a black girl’s hair. In fact I heard many comments when at secondary school of how jealous other girls were of their hair. It’s just mind boggling that people are actually seeing anything derogatory about this book. There was also a mermaid with blond fuzzy hair. The author was clearly trying to be inclusive but unfortunately fell victim to those people who spend their days looking for something to be offended by.
Here ya go.

www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/afro-hair-discrimation-student-legal-action-payout-ruby-williams-urswick-school-a9323466.html

itsaratrap · 09/08/2020 20:44

LunaNorth

There’s lots of very similar African artefacts and art in the Kitt Rivers Museum (amongst others) by African artists. Not quite sure I get your point?

Brieminewine · 09/08/2020 20:46

Oh dear, I think people are just looking for things to be offended by now! I would have thought this was one of the more inclusive books as it features characters of BAME throughout the series, but no it must be subliminal racism because the black mermaid has fluffy hair Confused