To think, without upsetting anybody, we are massively overpopulated on this tiny Island??? What sensible non punitive solutions are there??

[PasstheBucket89]

Its pretty relevant with all the talk about migrant boats, priti patel saying she will make the passage unviable etc she has done some awful things, it makes my blood run cold tbh i doubt she cares about the safety of them in that boats. But, what di we do, and when suggestions are made its often motivated by hate not quality of life issues. And yes, the ageing massively adds to the overpopulation aswell, but what should we do? reasonably? this tiny Island is massively overpopulated, it doesn't benefit anyone to be crammed in like sardines like this, massively effects access to housing, healthcare, education etc, What should the gov do, not adding to the hostile environment??.

www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/top-10-facts-about-refugees-and-people-seeking-asylum/

Hey OP, just noticed we have the same age gap between our kids. But mine are grown up now, except dd 16. We are in the NW, Greater Manc.

The solution as I see it, seriously. Encourage those that want an itinerant lifestyle to have one, more temporary stops, campsites permanent and temporary stay. I don't think it would completely solve the problem but it would be a start. Bricks n mortar don't appeal to everyone but we are all forced into the same cultures, it's silly.

The key issue facing this country in the next 40 or so years is our ageing population not over population.

And how do we pay for it particularly when we already have inter generational inequality.

we need more workers to pay the tax that pays for public services.

Just the people on PAYE?

[quote imissthesouth]@TableFlowerss
We are going that way with brexit, although it may not be the worst thing for the country. We do need a tougher immigration system. If we only allowed qualified people with a job to go to, to be self sufficient without the use of the public purse, then we would have not only a healthier economy, but also less people coming into the country. The most notable country with this system is Australia [/quote]
Do you realise that EU immigrants are net contributors. Contrary to popular belief we are not taking more than paying in.

@GeorgieTheGorgeousGoat

I have admit I don’t really understand why they do it. Understandable when they are true refugees, there are usually closer ‘safe’ places so I don’t understand the danger they risk trying to get here. Is it that appealing here?

V few do. The numbers coming to the UK are small. Those who do may have some link to the UK, relative here, or speak some English.

The govt focusing on this is such a clear distraction from their fucks ups. Using words like crisis to describe it is such hyperbole by the media m govt and loathsome Farage.

66 million in a tiny country is overpopulated. Whoever said that only 12% of the country has been built on...that's irrelevant. What do you want to do? Build on all the green belt and naturally beautiful areas?

Involuntary euthanasia for bad grammar and punctuation would solve a lot of issues

* if people really are concerned about overpopulation then what about people here having fewer children

But people are having fewer children, but who will be the workers of tmw to pay tax?

FarTooSkinny

Exemptions for autocorrect? Or worse punishment for missing the autocorrect?

@FortunesFave but the population has been increasing at a fairly stable rate since WWII, because people kept having children and largely stopped dying before they retired. This isn't a new thing that has suddenly happened.

[quote OhhhPeee]The birth rate is falling and we will be entirely dependent on migration within 100 years.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-53409521[/quote]
We could use robots.

@binnydinny

* if people really are concerned about overpopulation then what about people here having fewer children

But people are having fewer children, but who will be the workers of tmw to pay tax?

Robots.

@TaxTheRatFarms

FarTooSkinny

Exemptions for autocorrect? Or worse punishment for missing the autocorrect?

@TaxTheRatFarms good question. Maybe lose a digit for errors due to autocorrection

Frumpety What's steady though?

It's doubled in the last 140 years. And according to this site
populationmatters.org/the-facts/uk

Of which David Attenborough is a patron, things are looking bad.

The UK is one of the most nature-depleted countries in the world and with no end to population growth in sight, pressure on wildlife, housing, public services and resources will continue to grow.

From the site "Population density in Europe is just 34 people/sq km. At 426 people/sq km, England is the most overcrowded large nation in Europe."

From the site.

Mmmm what about a global deadly pandemic. Let that run through and that would help with ageing populations situation.....

We kind of do need immigrants though... the NHS would probably grind to a halt if immigration was stopped for one thing.

@biglouis

These people are being housed in 4 star hotels, being set up with health care packages and spending money. In the meantime there are British born people who have paid their taxes using food banks. Something wrong here.

I would follow the Australian system. Establish detention camps on the coldest and most remote Scottish islands and dump the boat people there. Drop them some basic supplies by air and let them fight it out. A Scottish winter under canvas should sort them out and deter any more of them.

@biglouis These people are being housed in 4 star hotels Not true

being set up with health care packages
Not true

spending money
Not true

biglouis does not have empathy for her fellow human beings who find themselves in trouble
True

@biglouis

These people are being housed in 4 star hotels, being set up with health care packages and spending money. In the meantime there are British born people who have paid their taxes using food banks. Something wrong here.

I would follow the Australian system. Establish detention camps on the coldest and most remote Scottish islands and dump the boat people there. Drop them some basic supplies by air and let them fight it out. A Scottish winter under canvas should sort them out and deter any more of them.

What I don't understand is that although genuine refugees should be housed and helped, why people already here aren't also housed and helped? We have disabled people street homeless and abuse victims including families living in hostels.

I have admit I don’t really understand why they do it. Understandable when they are true refugees, there are usually closer ‘safe’ places so I don’t understand the danger they risk trying to get here. Is it that appealing here?

The first safe places most refugees come to are tiny places, like Greek islands, or small and poor countries like Lebanon. They already take the vast majority of refugees.

Do we really think it is fair that all the refugees from Syria and Afghanistan should be crowded together somewhere like Samos which is not much larger than the Isle of Wight?

And if we accept that people have to move on from the nearest country, then there is absolutely no reason why e.g. France or Germany should be under a greater obligation to take refugees than the UK. France won't have been the first safe country any more than the UK is.

Better city planning. More clean energy. Green transport e.g. electric buses. Hydroponic farms and indoor fisheries. More high rise and redevelopment of buildings over 30 years old. Condo housing with shared residential facilities. Build and run larger schools. Privatise and regulate healthcare and subsidise at patient level (e.g. free treatment for children, elderly and disabled)

It's urbanisation not overpopulation you are observing. That is a density issue. Population decline (as u see in Europe) sounds good in theory to improve everyones quality of life but an ageing society cannot grow, especially if people keep living longer.

According to Wikipedia, the UK is the 32nd most densely populated state in the world, with 280 inhabitants per square kilometre.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density

But the list of 194 countries is skewed by all the crowded but tiny city-states and islands such as Monaco, which has 18,000 people per sq km -- but its whole territory is only 2 sq km.

On the list of the 100 largest countries, the UK comes in 14th most densely populated.

However, England is by far the most densely populated part of the UK, with 430 people per square kilometre.
www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/bulletins/annualmidyearpopulationestimates/mid2019

If England counted as a state by itself, it would be the fourth most densely populated large country in the world.

It’s quite rare to be a self supporting country isn’t it.
The opposite is the case. Most countries are self supporting or produce surplus food. That’s how Britain is able to feed itself, by importIng two thirds the food it needs (this includes the need to import feed for farm animals) from countries with surplus, mostly EU countries

Depends on how you're defining "self sufficient". I've not checked in a while but from memory there's very few European countries that could grow enough food for themselves without using phosphate fertilisers. Since there's only around 25 countries with a commercially viable deposit of phosphate rock (maybe 2 in Europe and around 70% in Morocco alone) the vast majority of countries aren't self sufficient in food production at all.

The UK is one of the most nature-depleted countries in the world and with no end to population growth in sight, pressure on wildlife, housing, public services and resources will continue to grow.

The UK is not one of the most nature-depleted and overpopulated countries in the World. Maybe England is but Scotland (and maybe Wales and Northern Ireland) certainly isn't.

I'm shocked that people think that Brexit will reduce immigration. Under the Dublin III agreement someone seeking asylum can be returned to the first EU country they entered. After Brexit that agreement ceases unless the EU wang to extend. Well done numpty Brexiteers!