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8 (nearly 9) year old behaviour

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Mumoftwo1and6 · 02/08/2020 21:20

First post in a long while - not sure if it’s in the right place.
I’m worried about my 8 (nearly 9) year old boy - he is just so impulsive.
He is a really bright boy but has a very silly personality. His teachers have spoken to me at every parents’ evening since nursery about his silly behaviour and decision making. A recent example at school would be that every time he goes to the toilets, he turns the lights out so all the kids scream and get scared. He was given a consequence at school but that didn’t stop him doing it again. His behaviour at school is never major - he never needs to go to the head or anything. He is never rude or never hurts the other kids. He is also very popular at school and is really bright, exceeding the year group expectations.

Anyway, at home, he just doesn’t think. An example would be yesterday when our family arrived for a bbq, he chatted to them for 30 secs and then threw the dogs really hard toy over the back garden wall and it hit our neighbours car. It could have really hurt someone. At the same bbq, he finished eating so the same second he finished, walked over to the table the adults were at and just screamed really loudly in our ears. It’s just bizarre.
An example from today would be when my mam arrived with a set of walkie talkies for him and his sister. We took them over the park to see the range on them and all was well. Next thing, with no warning, he threw the walkie talkie about 10 feet in the air and it smashed. This type of behaviour is regular. I literally have hundreds of these examples. Last week his dad strapped him in the car as his seat belt was twisted, my son was saying ‘let me do it’ his dad said ‘I’ll do it, it’s twisted’ so my son spat in his face.
He always gets consequences - time outs, technology removed, sent to bedroom etc. Makes no difference.
The problem is that he is so upset afterwards. Tonight, when talking about his behaviour today, he said man you need to be harsher with me to make me a nicer person. It broke my heart and we both cried. He said he hates how naughty he is. He had lost the use of his I pad for throwing the walkie talkie which meant that he couldn’t FaceTime his friends on a group they had planned for that day. I think that’s harsh enough and don’t want to make him feel worse about himself. I have a 4 year old girl and she is just a breeze. If we are going to a friends house, I’ll pack him all sorts of activities to keep him from misbehaving and don’t even think about it for my little girl. When he goes to grandparents houses, I’ve started bribing him with a toy or Robux to make him behave there - it usually works. I’ve tried the marbles in the jar for positives and he can keep it up when something is at stake but it loses its impact after a while.
Anyway, I’ve been watching him closely and it is always when he is not ‘busy’. Today when I built some Lego with him, he was good as gold. His dad took him on a long walk to collect rocks to paint and, again, good as gold. We watched a movie, painted the rocks and planted some flowers and he was fab throughout it all. The second he is left to his own devices, he does something. The movie finished and 30 seconds later he ran and pushed his sister over and she banged her head. The walkie talkie thing was because we had stopped testing them out. It’s like he can’t handle not having a focus. He just walks around looking for someone to irritate. I thought he would have grown out of it but he just isn’t. Any advice greatly appreciated.

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ACupOfTeaSolvesEverything · 02/08/2020 22:06

Sounds like he’s struggling with transitions along with some emotional control and executive functioning stuff. Has he ever been assessed for anything?

Jamestown · 02/08/2020 22:09

Has he been assessed for autism?

year5teacher · 02/08/2020 22:11

Agree with @ACupOfTeaSolvesEverything

Struggling with transition, those times in the day when there isn’t a clear structure. What times of the day at school do things tend to happen? Is it playtimes, cloakroom times - the thing in the toilets ties in with this.

It sounds like he almost gets that thought in his head like “wouldn’t it be terrible if I just went and did X” and then he is just compelled to do it. I would speak to the school, try to get a meeting with SENCO and go from there. Obviously it may be harder with Covid but they should give you the support regardless.

Nagsnovalballs · 02/08/2020 22:11

Sounds like classic ADHD to me... but I shouldn’t diagnose here. However, do consider looking into it, and for the meantime - try some parenting books focused on parenting an ADHD child and see if the tips and tricks help.

myohmywhatawonderfulday · 02/08/2020 22:12

Hello, I think a few things.

What is clear that external consequences are not making any difference to his impulse control. If they were, you wouldn't have the problems that are occurring now. So, it may be time to be looking into issues with executive functioning and impulse control - eg ADHD or ADD.

He is a lovely boy who is feeling shame around his behaviour - this is so common and something that needs to be addressed. He doesn't want to do the things he does, can't control himself and then feels like he is bad - rather than the things he is doing are bad and this can really begin a negative shame cycle.

Ways to tackle this is to try and stimulate the part of the brain that deals with empathy, organisation and impulse control and spend more time on things that he has natural talents in.

Practical things you can do:

  1. Buy a book on strategies for dealing with ADHD and even if he does/doesn't have it some of the ways of dealing with his behaviour may help you.
  1. Find as many active ways to channel his energy as possible - team games, swimming, cycling. If he can run a mile before morning activities every day this would be beneficial to him.
  1. I would also feed him fish oil (you might have to disguise it in a yogurt or something).
  1. Take away all electronic devices if you can - these stimulate the part of the brain that you don't want stimulating. If total avoidance is impossible limit to morning only.
  1. A diet without refined sugar will really help.
  1. Finally, and I have recommended this, but I haven't actually got any real life success in this with young children, but I do believe it will work and that is to practice a form of meditation - because of its positive effects on the brain.

Good luck

EducatingArti · 02/08/2020 22:14

I agree that this could be the impulsive side of ADHD. Have a look at symptoms of this and see if you think any of it fits your son.

Cheerybigbottom · 02/08/2020 22:15

He has impulsive behaviour. He cannot fight that urge to complete an action which he knows is wrong but in that moment he makes the unwise decision to act on his impulse.

My son is the same, it's like why would you do that? They need some help to regulate their urges and emotions and a positive step would be to approach CAHMS with school support.

Mumoftwo1and6 · 02/08/2020 22:48

Thank you for all of your responses. I’ve looked into ADHD before and visited the GP.
I think the problem is that he doesn’t show many of the symptoms.
He can concentrate for ages, can sit still, doesn’t fidget, he can wait turns, he doesn’t interrupt, doesn’t take unnecessary risks etc so the GP’s ‘checklist’ didn’t really highlight anything. The only other sign of ADHD I do recognise is he is quite forgetful and I can only give him one instruction at a time.

I’m so proud of him. Another parent at school rang to say her child with SEN has been so happy because my child has played with her child and it is her child’s first friend. I asked my son about it and he said that he doesn’t enjoy playing with this child because he plays really babyish stuff but, if he didn’t play with him, he would just walk around alone. Such thoughtfulness at such a young age just amazes me. I’m so worried about his impulsivity as he matures, he could really get himself into trouble.

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christinarossetti19 · 02/08/2020 22:53

GPs aren't specialist enough to be able to accurately assess learning difference. It would be much better for him to be assessed by an educational psychologist.

A private assessment costs around £600, which may not be an option, but school should be able to refer when he returns in September.

Piixxiiee · 02/08/2020 22:59

Sounds like ADHD impulsiveness is a major symptom... seems strange school havent asked to have him assessed - I don't mean by a GP. I teach a little girl who is the most thoughtful and helpful person. She is very impulsive and has ADHD. I would ask school for an assessment- should have been done a long time ago by school- the low level disruption in school is a trigger point (or should have been) for assessment and SENCO should have been on to this years ago!

VashtaNerada · 02/08/2020 23:09

This definitely sounds like something you need your SENDCo’s help with. I teach a few children with similar behaviours to this and even though they haven’t (yet) been diagnosed with anything they still have an action plan drawn up between myself (the class teacher) and the SENDCo and I discuss it regularly with parents.

Nuffaluff · 02/08/2020 23:11

Google ADHD impulsive type. I am a teacher and have seen this behaviour. He can’t stop himself from doing these things.
If you read it and think it’s your boy, bring it up with school. They will be glad you did and will support you with further investigation.

Mumoftwo1and6 · 02/08/2020 23:11

Just wanted to add, when I was pregnant with my lovely boy, my MIL said, “If it’s a boy, I hope it’s nothing like his daddy.” When I asked her to elaborate, she explained that she had been to the docs with him age 4 because his behaviour was so bad. They pretty much blamed her (35 years ago) so she learned to cope. I know things like ADHD can run in families. DH is now a very hardworking, loyal, caring husband and daddy. Oh, we are booked for a day at the farm tomorrow - he will be an angel. Always is on days out.

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Mumoftwo1and6 · 02/08/2020 23:14

Just googled ADHD impulsive type and main signs are impulsiveness, fidgety and interrupts. He only has 1/3.

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Yeahnahmum · 02/08/2020 23:16

First thing is that you need to stop calling his terrible behaviour a 'silly personality '.also people should stop saying with every single kid that displays some sort of disfunctional behaviour, that they suspect ADHD. Get a diary out. Log all incidents. And also:talk with your son.ask him why he does things . How he feels when he does things.why he flees he does it. Is Ita cry for attention, is It when he is sensory overloaded ,is it after certain food, specific time a day, does he enjoy being the centre of attention (hence acting out negatively) etc etc

Yeahnahmum · 02/08/2020 23:18

what he feels when he does it. is it a cry for attention

OwlinaTree · 02/08/2020 23:25

You might struggle to get him assessed through school by an EP if his academic levels are so high. Sounds like a referral to health would be better.

Yeahnahmum · 02/08/2020 23:29

Oh and sorry:
Because your kid acts out at home way more then at school, you should also look into how to discipline him differently or what you can do more off (or less off)to help him. Are they stricter in school? Does he perhaps feel like you are easier to manipulate Etc.

Not sAying you are doing anything wrong. But sometimes a parent can make behaviour worse by unknowingly doing (or not doing)certain things

thebigredbutton · 02/08/2020 23:31

OP my DH sounds like he would have been similar to your son.

My MIL describes him as bright but out of control at times. He’s now a hard working man with no problems (apart from being a pain in the arse 😂). He was diagnosed as “naughty” and he did grow out of it.

Lovely1a2b3c · 02/08/2020 23:32

It could be that he has problems with impulsivity without the other symptoms of ADHD but that he could still do with similar behavioural treatment to that given to ADHD sufferers.

Maybe ask your DH if he remembers what his own behaviour was like when he was younger and what helped.

Enough4me · 02/08/2020 23:33

My DS has ADD and has spontaneous reactions, finds managing emotions difficult, (can get very upset and angry quickly followed by intense guilt), but will go completely out of his way to help those who are alone or sad.

He may not tick all the boxes, and may not have ADD/ADHD, but his behaviour is similar to my DS.

BertieBotts · 02/08/2020 23:35

It's a myth that you can't concentrate if you have ADHD. It's more that you don't necessarily have control over when and how you concentrate. I would look at this checklist: psychcentral.com/quizzes/child-adhd-quiz/

But in any case it sounds like he has a lack of response inhibition ie he's lacking the skill that makes him think before acting - there is a good book which can help with lagging skills like this called Smart But Scattered.

TimeWastingButFun · 02/08/2020 23:45

I'd get him assessed. Don't forget when you say that you take things for him to do but don't need to for your daughter - I would do the same for her too, don't let her feel that her good behaviour goes unnoticed.

snowone · 02/08/2020 23:45

My immediate thoughts were based around attention seeking rather than ADHD or ASD, it doesn't scream that to me.

My DD (whilst not quite as impulsive) can behave "badly" when she is seeking our attention as sometimes even negative attention is better than no attention.

When she is 1:1 with either of us or grandparents she is a dream - when she is not the centre of someone's attention, for example, if we (especially DH) are playing with her little sister she has a tendency to start being silly, whinging, moaning, Annoying the baby etc etc.

There is a large age gap between by DCs (4.5 years) and she is still getting used to having to share everyone's attention, she's not keen!

Lindy2 · 02/08/2020 23:55

ADHD sounds fairly possible. My DD has ADHD and one of the things she does is throw things up in the air. Usually with the intention of catching them but it doesn't always work out that way. She's broken or lost several things that she actually really cared about but she still can't stop the impulsive throwing. Loud noises is also one of her symptoms.

I think that when the brain or body isn't busy it fills the gap with some random impulsive action.

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