To think kids should repeat the school year

[Everythingnotsaved]

I am starting to think that if there is any more lockdown, kids will need to repeat the last academic year or really be disadvantaged down the line?

I am pissed off enough that private schools mostly got full online teaching which already shits on social mobility but any more will really be a disaster.

Aibu?

And do fuck off about children going into reception not being the priority. All children matter.

But how does that work with Universities or are you suggesting everyone moves to January?

Yes...it's another 3-4 months disruption...but better imo than repeating the entire year.

MoreListeningLessChatting

Who has suggested teacher strikes?

No teachers on here have. Is this just more made up rubbish?

@MoreListeningLessChatting

No they will not repeat.

There is always a disparity in what pupils receive at private and state schools - that's why parents pay for a private education and all the additional opportunities it provides over state school. However, this year the gap is larger.

Some state school gave a good online provision and some were poor sending just a weekly email or worksheet.

Let's hope schools return in September without teacher strikes (some on here have suggested they will strike) and with good cleanliness and no national lock down in school education can continue as best as possible.

Agree with this

One term is passable, just. But September provision for all is key.

Why would they need to repeat the Whole year when the have only Missed around 1/3 of the year? If you take off 3 wks school hols, the wind down at the end of term and factor in that most kids will have done at least some work during lockdown, there has been less learning lost than you think. Take into account that a lot of time spent in school is taken up with assembly, tutor time, moving around, waiting for everyone to settle, being distracted by the naughty kids, having a supply teacher, school plays etc and it’s even less.

@beargrass No I get that, with my eldest (summer born, would have benefit hugely waiting until 5 but our LEA rules didn't allow for it back then) I was in the position where I needed her to start full time at 4 anyway really due to my then new job.

I'm just not sure full time school is going to be possible this term or next with the situation that's developing, meaning those parents won't get that childcare from school anyway.

My biggest concern for this year is my DD going in to Year 6. I can probably do an adequate job of supporting her through this school year from an academic point of view but feel she needs time in the school environment and to be with her friends socially in order to cope with the move up to secondary next year.

@Everythingnotsaved

Surely kids starting reception (in the nicest possible way) aren’t that important in the big scheme of things but for older kids, there is way more impact especially secondary kids.

Reception is enormously important, developmentally. It's reception and year 1 where kids learn the basics of learning to read! That's why they were one of the key years to go back before the summer.

Our school will be carrying over work into the following year to make sure the children are ready and to help them settle in.

Universities aren't going to delay anything, they're all gearing up for the coming term.

In primary, every year the teacher has to look at their class to see where they are all at, and adjust their teaching accordingly. Some years you'll get a class where almost all are working at expected level or above and it's relatively easy to crack on and maintain or raise the level they are working at, other years you'll get a class where the general level is much lower and lots of the children have SEN. Yes, it will be harder to get them to where you want to if you get a class that were struggling anyway, because they are probably even further behind, but that is what teachers are trained to do.

I voted YANBU because I agree with you and in an ideal world this would happen. But the practicalities mean it wont/cant

Teachers are going to cover the content they’ve not learnt, if they don’t do that they wouldn’t be able to learn the next stuff as it would be too much as a step up. So they will cover the content anyway, what does it matter what the class is called?

We’re trained professionals that actually do know how to do our jobs, trust us or if you think your can do a better job pull your kids out and show us how to do it.

I hope that as children have been out of education for roughly the same amount of time allowances will be made for exam years, some lessons have been learnt throughout this time that are far more important than purely educational

Certainly not full time online teaching- try no online teaching at all- lots of photocopied books onto slides etc- really really poor

There's no evidence to suggest that remote learning needs to be through video conferencing to be effective overall. It's the quality of the teaching, not the mode, that makes the difference.

You do realise there is nothing wrong with books in terms of providing new knowledge and you weren't turning your nose up at them (when thhe pages were probably photocopied due to a lack of resources and funding) before lockdown?

If there was a workable way for the students going into year 11 and 13 to do an extra year then I might support that. Only because they are two year courses and many students will have have missed a substantial amount of content if their peers have worked through lockdown, or else the whole year group will have lost time if not.
Children going into years 1 to 10 can catch up. Children can be years apart academically anyway and children enter into their correct age group from overseas, many with English as an additional language, so schools have to adapt to students already. I have a DS going into year 10 and all I would like is the option to drop one or more subjects for GCSE, such as the one year religion course, if school is further disrupted.

YABU.

DD will already be 5 by the time she starts reception.
Far too old for nursery, ready for an education, where is she supposed to go? Pushed out of nursery to stay at home for the next year?
What about all the parents who need to work?

Why is it that you think the incoming cohort aren't as important as every other school year? They need to learn too.

I agree that there’s no way they could repeat a year.
I’ve been told that the exam boards will lower the grades as necessary.

I honestly do think that schools and exam boards are going to have to make allowances for what our children have been through.

Whilst it would be great for my younger child to repeat the year, it's simply not practical in real terms, the ripple effect is much too great.

Agree and less half term

@whirlwindwallaby

If there was a workable way for the students going into year 11 and 13 to do an extra year then I might support that. Only because they are two year courses and many students will have have missed a substantial amount of content if their peers have worked through lockdown, or else the whole year group will have lost time if not. Children going into years 1 to 10 can catch up. Children can be years apart academically anyway and children enter into their correct age group from overseas, many with English as an additional language, so schools have to adapt to students already. I have a DS going into year 10 and all I would like is the option to drop one or more subjects for GCSE, such as the one year religion course, if school is further disrupted.

Dropping a GCSE would be good. My son had to take a language - they didn’t have to when he started at the school - so dropping that would be fantastic 🙏🏻

@FaiIWorseAgain

Test them all in September - lowest quartile and upper quartile (gifted and talented cohort): inform parents of raw scores for bottom five and give the opportunity to resit the year, allow the top five to move up a year)

As someone who was put a year up in primary (private school, May birthday). I coped academically but emotionally it was a disaster. Please don’t!

In Scandinavian counties, kids don’t start formal learning until later on- possibly age 7- so I do think the focus on kids having to go to school at 4/5 isn’t common in other countries. Structurally yes I can see repeating the year is problematic but if we go into another lockdown (as predicted) then I am really seriously worried about the impact on my kids mental health & education

I wouldn't like for them to repeat a year if they don't need to. My 8 year old had a delayed entry to school, starting reception at age 5 and seven weeks, and has just finished year two. If he repeated this year he wouldn't get out of infants until he's 9!

@Flowers009 When you say 'less half term', do you mean extra school days?

Children are entitled to 190 days. That's been provided throughout Sept 2019-July 2020. How do you think extra school days would be staffed or paid for when this is in nobody's contract?

Structurally yes I can see repeating the year is problematic but if we go into another lockdown (as predicted) then I am really seriously worried about the impact on my kids mental health & education

It's not just your kids who'll be negatively impacted though.
Those who're in early education have been out of settings since March, they've had no interaction with other kids or EY educators since then.
If there's another lockdown, they'll all be impacted; why hold one group back? That's not going to prevent another lockdown.

I don't understand the talk of other countries and how they start their kids later either, as if that's a justification.
It's different here, it works though.

You have every right to worry about your child's mental health but I am worried about the mental health of all children preschool age who will have their development delayed. Who will not access an educational setting for another year. Or the group below them.
You want to throw a whole group under the bus for what..
My dd is 5 since February she is due to start school this September .
What you are suggesting is making her learn initial sounds and counting at nearly 7 years old and leaving school at 20. Look at the bigger picture.