Should we all lockdown again, infection rate is rising or should we shield the elderly and vunerable and support them financially while everyone else goes back to normality to save our economy.

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Covid is not going to disappear, we will be waiting years for a vaccine. How on earth are we / the economy suppose to carry on like this ?
Yabu I'm being unreasonable
Yanbu I'm being reasonable

Everyone knows what the buttons mean. Obviously we shouldn’t have another national lockdown if it can possibly be avoided. The first one wasn’t going irradiate the virus. It had specific aims and whether or not believe the government they claimed those were met.

One problem here is that recent findings seem to show that a lot of people who were not elderly and did not have underlying conditions still end up being very ill for a long time (5 months and counting) and that some of them can be shown to have sustained damage (lung scarring etc) which is probably not reversible. The government are currently setting up to build new rehabilitation clinics and in the long term this will almost certainly be a far bigger problem than the actual deaths.

We should aim to have the least number catch it as possible. We don’t know the long term effects it has and many who have recovered are having issues with their lungs, hearts etc weeks and months later.

The lower the cases the more things like smears, routine hospital appointments, dentists etc can operate so that other health issues don’t get cast aside.

Absolutely no national lockdown again. The country is fucked enough as it is!

Interesting coreythatwas so it's not just the elderly and vunerable we need to shield and be concerned about if it's efecting the healthy, giving them those problems. It's not fair sending those back to work for our economy. When are we likely to have a vaccine ? Anyone know?

Is it either/or? Does not locking down have no impact on the economy?

I think localised lockdowns are better than national ones but I have no plans to travel this Summer, go to attractions or sit in a restaurant/coffee shop. Still impacting on the economy.

DH or myself have not stopped work just done it from home.

One problem is that the vulnerable are not the same as the elderly. My DP is disabled and vulnerable but we both work and we have a toddler. It's not feasible for families like us to lock down long term, both economically and in terms of our mental health. People imagine the vulnerable as elderly and incapacitated but it's not that simple. I don't have an answer to your question though, I just feel we can't really win.

I think this disease is going to be around for a long time yet so we have to find a way of carrying on whilst taking precautions to make sure the infection rate is as low as possible. I think the impact of national lockdown is just too severe on people’s mental health, children, people vulnerable to neglect and abuse and the economy.

Oh we're all fucked really, in the sense that most of us are going to catch it
I'd rather get it now than in winter, but would prefer next spring (treatments might be better, no chance of a vaccine)
Happy to follow the Sweden model, so a longer term more sustainable approach to social distancing. Can't be arsed with sock masks though. Wish we'd just bite the bullet with remote learning and make it good

It is estimated that about between 10 and 30% of patients develop Long Covid

www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/long-term-effects-covid-body-heart-brain/

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/long-term-impact-of-mild-covid-19_uk_5f0710f0c5b6480493cc5658

Quite apart from the human suffering, the cost to the economy of having a large part of workers long-term disabled would almost certainly be huge.

Interesting coreythatwas so it's not just the elderly and vunerable we need to shield and be concerned about if it's efecting the healthy, giving them those problems.

I have at least 3 colleagues who have been ill since March and are still ill. All of working age, none of them would have been candidates for shielding.

Definitely no to lockdown
Economy fucked enough as it is

SSP stops for shielding workers today.

You're supposed to only go back to work if it's covid-secure but if you have no money coming in, you have no choice but to go back to work.

I'm on the shielding list and going back to work on a supermarket shop floor and just having to risk it.

The country can’t cope with another lockdown. I just don’t think people would stick to it unless the army got involved.

I just feel "covid-secure" is not really safe enough for shielding people. My work is supposedly covid-secure but I wouldn't fancy my chances of not catching it if a co-worker was sick.

I'm going to be in third trimester in september when I'm due back at work, if the infection rates keep rising I'm not goi g to be happy going back as there are others who are also classed as vulnerable but getting to work from home ect. A few weeks ago I wasnt going to be allowed in, now I am and nothing has changed. I do think the vulnerable should not be going out, just because theres room in the hospitals doesnt mean we should be allowed to get sick and take those beds,why risk it.

People imagine the vulnerable as elderly and incapacitated but it's not that simple.
^This
Plenty of us have worked throughout the lock down. Plenty of us have home schooled. I can carry on working at home for the rest of the year luckily but my dc are expected back in school in September. Some shielders are back to a workplace tomorrow. We aren't one blob who all have the same needs.

I don't understand why supermarkets for example, have stopped making people queue up to get in. Simple measures have been abandoned already.

You don't know that there will not be a vaccine for years. It's quite likely we will have one by early next year. In the meantime whilst a full lockdown will be too damaging for the economy there has to be something inbetween. You totally underestimate how many vulnerable people there are if you think we can just go back to normal while "supporting them financially".

People who hold the views that "we have to get on with it otherwise there'll be no economy to go back to" can rarely ever be swayed in argument. Ever.

Not unless there were thousands of new cases per week.

So YABU for starting this topic... it feels like you and others of your belief system have already made up their minds.

Sweden all the way

We need to reduce the risks as much as possible so that we can get back to normal as soon as possible.

We could do that by:

• protect through shielding the most vulnerable to serious illness and death. Our current shielding list is based on out of date information. The CDC has a good updated list of the most vulnerable. It includes people with cardiac disease and type 2 diabetes. Shielding not mandatory (individuals free to take personal risks) but the protection is available if wanted.

-close the borders for two months. Quarantine for returning nationals and emergencies/compassionate entry. Quarantine by coach to selected quarantine hotels (like Australia, NZ, Vietnam, etc).

• Masks in public including schools. Encourage customisation, like Japan does, to make it 'fun' for children.

• localised lockdowns if and when needed.

• Proper track and trace programme, including making more use of the Zoe app.

I am concerned about not having any of the three T’s sorted!
Testing - shambles
Track and trace - shambles
Treatment - no clue!

I would get people, economy back as much as sensibly possibly so we have money to be able to support the vulnerable!
No more lockdown, don’t think most of us would take it seriously - or would be taking eyetests regularly!
And I have done medical for 15 years! Never thought years of microbiology would ever come handy 😂😂😂

No national lockdown, not that I think there will be anyway.

Basically there should be a choice, if you want to get out there, go to work and carry on as normal as you can, go and do it. If you don't want to do that, the choice is yours, stay home.

The country can't afford to financially support anymore, it's screwed as it is.

I say all this as extremely vulnerable, but this shit show can't carry on.