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This should not be allowed on Twitter *Normalisation of MAP*

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Motherofmonsters · 30/07/2020 17:45

I've just come across this and I feel sick. How is it allowed.

So much stuff is banned from Twitter but this is fine. I have no words

This should not be allowed on Twitter *Normalisation of MAP*
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russetred · 30/07/2020 23:05

This is another take on the subject from the fact-checking page, SNOPES: www.snopes.com/fact-check/maps-pride-flag/

KingFredsTache · 30/07/2020 23:06

What is the connection between this and the trans movement, I don’t understand?

There isn't a direct connection at all, trans people are not paedophiles.

However, what is happening is that the 'umbrella' of LGBT etc is widening further all the time, but also at the same time, if something happens under that umbrella, it cannot be questioned because its 'homophobic' or 'transphobic'.

So people see 'drag kids' like Desmond is Amazing and Lactatia, doing totally inappropriate stuff - posing with completely naked adults, hanging out with convicted murderers, simulating snorting drugs, dancing for money in gay nightclubs- and they can't object because that is 'hate' and 'bigotry' because it has a rainbow attached to it.

Munroe Bergdorf invites children to DM them on Twitter, and when people suggest that that does not make Munroe a good ambassador for the NSPCC (private messaging kids, even completely innocently, is a massive safeguarding no no), its because they are 'transphobic bigots'.

Or a man dresses up in a gimp suit, films himself wanking in the toilets of the Uk's largest children's charity, which is also his workplace, and when people raise concerns that the NSPCC are wrong for not having him out in his ear immediately, it's 'bigotry' because the man happens to be gay.

You cant question 'Stefonknee' because it comes under the umbrella and that would be hatred.

You cant object to a drag queen called 'Flow Job' coming into a school, reading to the kids and then posting photos on their adult flavoured public social media without parents permission. To do so is 'bigotry' according to Mhairi Black. Or object to a drag queen reading in a library on the basis that they have memes about 'getting ur hole destroyed' on the same FB page they use to advertise their services to children as a storyteller. This is 'hate'.

I could go on forever here...

And what happens is that a 'sacred caste' is created, a group of people who cannot be questioned, because it would be hateful. This goes against everything that safeguarding tells us - first rule of safeguarding, no one should be free from doubt or questioning, no matter who they are.

Now what has history shown us happens when a group is created that can never be questioned? Catholic Church anyone? Jimmy Savile and friends?

It's not that particular people in the LGBT community are predators, it's that predators will see the LGBT rainbow umbrella, and see that it's totally free from accountability and decide that it is a very convenient way of hiding in plain sight.

nauticant · 30/07/2020 23:12

It's related to the fact that apparently it's wrong to judge anyone's fetish or outlandish sexual activities. "Kink shaming" is seen as being as bad as homophobia in some quarters. This has gone alone with the push for sexualised activities to take place in public with no one being permitted to criticise. Which in turn is seeing a push for sexualised activities to take place in public around children.

All kinds of stuff is being normalised as things to take place in public. This is why we have puppy play at Pride and some very dodgy characters being lauded when they do Drag Story Time with children.

I also think also feeds in to the appearance of the disgusting rough sex defence in cases of the murders of women.

nauticant · 30/07/2020 23:17

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 31/07/2020 05:58

Excellent post there, @KingFredsTache!

Alabamawhirly1 · 31/07/2020 07:00

Much as I like Snopes, in certain areas they're not above spreading misinformation.

I don't rate snopes at all. Aren't they just some couple. I'm not sure they are the unbias, all knowing entity they are portrayed to be. I'd question what they say as I would any single sourse.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 31/07/2020 08:03

Wait a moment!

I thought the 3 strikes was only on FWR not the other boards

Alabamawhirly1 · 31/07/2020 08:06

It slightly omonus that people are getting deleted on an anti pedo thread.

We're any of those deleted posts in support of lowering the age of concent. I doubt it.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 31/07/2020 08:12

It is! Especially as most are clearly stating that MAP and LGBT are NOT THE SAME THING but are then getting reported, according to one poster, because they say they are!

@MNHQ is being played a bit, I think!

And this is AIBU not FWR!

SophocIestheFox · 31/07/2020 08:24

Nailed it, KingFreds

That snopes link is dated 2018. Things move fast in the woke-o-sphere, and two years is time enough for that Overton window to have shifted some. And it has.

nauticant · 31/07/2020 08:49

... illustrates some of the points made here, about how we need to be tolerant of adult sexual fetishes in public even when there are children around. Many people have fallen for this and view those having doubts about whether this is a good idea as being homophobic.

RowboatsinDisguise · 31/07/2020 08:52

What the actual fucking fuck?!

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 31/07/2020 08:53

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Wait a moment!

I thought the 3 strikes was only on FWR not the other boards

I thinks its probably ‘who’ it is and ‘what’ they are posting rather than ‘where’

I like advance search but actually there is something to be said for making it paid for so it makes it slightly more difficult for people searching for things to report to track posters

nauticant · 31/07/2020 10:31

Two of my posts have been deleted. It looks like my offence was posting a link to a tweet where someone was saying that the P should be included in the LBGT.

The title of this thread states Normalisation of MAP. Yet MN are deleting posts in which examples of this are pointed out. In a context where people are saying "I don't think this is real" I don't think deleting evidence that it is real is helpful.

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 31/07/2020 10:33

Have you had an email from HQ, nauticant? What was their justification?

OneWomanOneDog · 31/07/2020 10:35

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Motherofmonsters · 31/07/2020 11:12

I don't see what they gain by stopping the conversation, it'll probably do the opposite of what they're trying to achieve.

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Motherofmonsters · 31/07/2020 12:30

Another thread wanted there to be no age of consent:

m.imgur.com/gallery/AGr3Mb7

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nauticant · 31/07/2020 12:48

No email from MNHQ SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito so no explanation.

My offence appears to be that I linked to a tweet by this man:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Cantor

I would hope we're not at the point where posting links to wikipedia is also forbidden.

OneWomanOneDog · 31/07/2020 13:19

Well we are at a point where posts expressing a concern that men might self-ID as women to get access to women's only spaces are deleted and the user gets a strike. That's what my deleted post was about, and I've been lucky enough to get an email.

So there you go. Some subjects are taboo even on momsnet, and apparently this is one of them.

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Twigletfairy · 31/07/2020 13:39

This has literally made me feel sick to my stomach.

I don't have Twitter and had no idea this was happening. I feel so naieve and ignorant.

I just can't get past them discussing it so casually. If they can discuss it so casually on an open platform, what the hell goes on behind closed doors?

I literally feel ill. My 8 month old daughter is asleep in my arms and I just can't help but feel terrified about what kind of world she is going to be growing up in

KingFredsTache · 31/07/2020 13:48

I literally feel ill. My 8 month old daughter is asleep in my arms and I just can't help but feel terrified about what kind of world she is going to be growing up in

The thing is, it's always happened, there have always been people like this. They will find any crack in the wall, any loophole, any hole in the net, however tiny, to squeeze through. That's what they have always done, that's what they do, they exploit anything and everything they possibly can to do whatever the fuck it is that they want to do.

That's why it's so important that we can discuss this openly on forums like Mumsnet. Not because we are 'accusing innocent people' of this, that or the other, but because we know that these people hide in the most convenient places they can, and people need to shine lights on those hiding places.

KingFredsTache · 31/07/2020 13:52

I realise my last post makes me sound like one of the 'paedo catcher' vigilante idiots! I'm not about to start broadcasting live on FB!

It's not like that at all - it's just that I know that safeguarding is all about having uncomfortable conversations, following your gut when something feels wrong, and not saying 'no, surely not them' about certain people.

Thisfucker · 31/07/2020 13:53

And what happens is that a 'sacred caste' is created, a group of people who cannot be questioned, because it would be hateful. This goes against everything that safeguarding tells us - first rule of safeguarding, no one should be free from doubt or questioning, no matter who they are
@KingFredsTache
This part of your excellent post is very true. This reminds me very much of a regular poster, she was very concerned with safeguarding.
The sacred caste was a particular concern of hers.
Well said.