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to suggest NOT wearing masks, but instead wearing . . .

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Durgasarrow · 26/07/2020 14:03

the charmingly named Neck Gaitors? They have been my all-purpose solution to the Great Mask Dilemma of 2020. They're washable, lightweight, stylish, useful, versatile, you can wear them as a scarf and pull them up as needed, or as a hairband or even a bracelet if it's too constricting to keep it around your neck. They're cheap to order from Amazon by the half dozen--they have seriously helped me keep my sanity.

to suggest NOT wearing masks, but instead wearing . . .
to suggest NOT wearing masks, but instead wearing . . .
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flyingpinkoctopus · 27/07/2020 18:21

Public Health England have said NOT to lower masks and then put them back over your face. Any virus on your chin/neck will be transferred up to your nose and face when you pull it back up again. Mask should be taken off completely when they are not being used

ravenmum · 27/07/2020 18:22

The face coverings people are advised to use are not to prevent Covid "particles" (virions) of 0.1 microns in size from floating out into the air as you breathe. They are to stop the drops of spit that are clearly visible to the naked eye when you cough or sneeze from flying across the room and e.g. onto someone else's skin.
Is this basic information still not getting across in the UK?

Plimpy · 27/07/2020 18:22

You don't get to decide if that qualifies as your definition. For me, or for anyone else. I'm on that other thread And I'd love for everyone to tell the government to shove it.

It was actually that thread that cemented my decision. So there's at least one on there who'd agree with me Wink
The OP won't, because she wishes she were able to wear a mask. She's not who I'm doing this for, although I believe that she will benefit by default.

There's a whole band of us on Twitter, too. I am not alone.

Ellyess · 27/07/2020 18:23

Pimpy: I dont get to decide how much distress at this shit situation qualifies as an exemption.
And, crucially, neither do you
.

GPs have been told by the NHS, NOT, under any circumstances, to write any exemption letters for patients. There are many threatening health conditions for which the wearing of a mask is dangerous. On certain masks supplied to hospitals there are warnings to people with such conditions not to use the masks. The Government or BBC or somebody has sent an announcement saying levels of oxygen do not drop or CO2 rise when wearing a mask. When wearing certain masks this is absolutely untrue as many research papers over many years have shown. Despite that this peer reviewed research is being removed by some dishonest people in power who want only one view to prevail. The drop in blood oxygen levels over a period of time does not only apply to hospital masks. The Government has behaved very irresponsibly on many issues regarding masks. People have not been given accurate information. They have failed in their duty of care to give people full information. Already stories of people with health conditions who should not use masks have been reported being found very ill in public places, nearly collapsing.
If you know that wearing a mask causes you distress because you have a medical condition, whatever type it may be, the situation is that you shall decide for yourself whether you need to exempt yourself from wearing the mask.
Please do not be a martyr. If you have breathing difficulties, heart trouble, cancer, anxiety about mouth and nose coverings, and other health reasons which make using a mask a danger to your health, please do not wear one. If you are confronted, simply say, "I am medically exempt" If the person demands a Doctor's note you will have to say it is government policy via the NHS that GPs don't write them (they have enough to do)and patients themselves know what their condition is. Do not tell anyone your health details please, people must learn that this is a confidential matter. Simply say, if asked "My state of health/health condition is a confidential matter." Just repeat the same if they say any more. Be dignified and calm and just keep going.
I have one of the health conditions above. I can just about manage, as I am not desperately badly affected, therefore I decided to have a mask with me, try to use it for short lengths of time and leave the situation to get into the open air to breathe as soon as I can. I can just about manage this. But it is a bit difficult!

Nobody, Pimpy, who suffers any condition which makes it unwise for them to wear a mask, needs your attitude of preaching and judging them as though you know better. You do not know what you are talking about. You have no right to give orders to people who have a very deep knowledge of the health condition they have and why the wearing of a mask would be very bad for their health. You clearly do not have this knowledge. You have no right to jump to the conclusion that you can stand as judge and jury and make your all-encompassing rule to cover everybody. You are ignorant. It is attacks such as yours that make the lives of people struggling with disability and ill-health all the more distressing. You should feel ashamed.

Ellyess · 27/07/2020 18:23

I hope anybody seeing a person in a public place such as a shop not wearing a mask will simply give them the respect of taking no notice of the mask situation, since that person almost certainly will have a health condition that already makes their life hard enough. They will not need any more stress in their life.

Thisismytimetoshine · 27/07/2020 18:25

There's a whole band of us on Twitter, too. I am not alone.
That is the scariest thing I've heard in a long time.

BinkyBoinky · 27/07/2020 18:27

I've been wearing them too! Except when it was 30 degrees, that was awful!

Plimpy · 27/07/2020 18:28

Er, Ellyess, I'm not sure I understand?
I'm saying that people should not wear masks if they have any distress!

kennycat · 27/07/2020 18:29

My husband has these for when he’s in his motorbike so has been wearing his for face covering. He just wears it round his neck all day (looks a little like a cravat!) so can pop it up when needed.

Plimpy · 27/07/2020 18:30

Ah, Ellyess - I get it. I was quoting myself in my highlight and just expanding on it. Sorry for the confusion!
I forget that people don't follow threads like I do and remember who has said what!

masterblaster · 27/07/2020 18:37

Unfortunately, they are bugger-all use for actually catching droplets etc. They are about 80 % cosmetic (i.e. they let through 80 % of the aerosols). You may be following the letter, but you aren't following the spirit of the law.

Plimpy · 27/07/2020 18:38

@Ellyess

I rephrased my post a couple down from what you quoted:

'I don't get to decide for others if their level of distress qualifies as an exemption, I should say.
Nor if the reasons for another's distress are valid.

We are of the same mind.

Bollss · 27/07/2020 18:39

@Medievalist

a surgical mask is designed for just that. It is part of the professional persons uniform.

And do you think it's any more comfortable to wear? For hours at a time, in stressful circumstances, along with lots of other potentially uncomfortable PPE equipment?

Presumably if you can't cope with ppe you don't become a surgeon though? It's a choice isn't it.
LangClegsInSpace · 27/07/2020 18:42

@Plimpy

Er, Ellyess, I'm not sure I understand? I'm saying that people should not wear masks if they have any distress!
You're saying that people who think masks are a load of bollocks should say they are exempt.

And if asked to expand on this, they should say they are suffering from severe distress because they are so sad about the people with PTSD and disabilities who can't wear one. And also that they are distressed because masks are a load of bollocks.

And you are telling people this would be doing the 'right thing' and it would be a 'brave' act of 'solidarity' with people who actually can't wear a mask.

YankeeinKingArthursCourt · 27/07/2020 18:45

@Plimpy

It looks like you have hand-picked a few articles to support your thesis (& good ole Twitter- hey if it's good enough for Trump...).

For years, the successful international public health protocol for decreasing respiratory infectious diseases has included public use of non medical face coverings.

If this is not the case, what accounts for the decreasing of cases in countries that use this in their protocol?

Plimpy · 27/07/2020 18:49

You're saying that people who think masks are a load of bollocks should say they are exempt.

They are if the violation of their principles causes them distress. Being forced to wear something I don't believe works, and which I know the mandate for is causing a lot of distress for others, causes me distress.
I am not the only one.
You don't get to decide if that's a good enough reason, for me or for anyone else, and in saying so, you are being a massive hypocrite.

Being forced to violate your own principles is very distressing.
Knowing that other people are suffering from the mandate which violates your principles is very distressing.

If this is true for anyone, DON'T WEAR THE FUCKING MASK.
You can claim exemption, and it is a true exemption, because extreme distress is an exemption.

Plimpy · 27/07/2020 18:51

It looks like you have hand-picked a few articles to support your thesis

Of course I have! Why, when asked for the evidence to support what I think, would I post studies that refuted it?

randomer · 27/07/2020 18:51

You should feel ashamed

Er, no.

Explain this little conundrum to me somebody. I popped into my local Marks and Spencer today with my face covering in place. Keeping it brief, I wanted to quickly get an item of clothing. To my surprise the cafe has reopened and about 20 people ( without masks obviously) were enjoying their afternoon meet up and tea.

Does that not tell us that all the shaming and nastiness is, infact a total waste of time.

R1R2 · 27/07/2020 18:53

@Plimpy

You're saying that people who think masks are a load of bollocks should say they are exempt.

They are if the violation of their principles causes them distress. Being forced to wear something I don't believe works, and which I know the mandate for is causing a lot of distress for others, causes me distress.
I am not the only one.
You don't get to decide if that's a good enough reason, for me or for anyone else, and in saying so, you are being a massive hypocrite.

Being forced to violate your own principles is very distressing.
Knowing that other people are suffering from the mandate which violates your principles is very distressing.

If this is true for anyone, DON'T WEAR THE FUCKING MASK.
You can claim exemption, and it is a true exemption, because extreme distress is an exemption.

Poor you, now get a extra large grip and mask up bucko
PinkSparklyPussyCat · 27/07/2020 18:54

You should never re-wear a used mask (unless it's been washed obviously) or pull it down around your neck and then pull it back up again. You should also avoid touching the mask once it's on your face. Masks become ineffective once damp so should be removed and replaced roughly every 2 hours or once damp - whichever comes first.

That really isn’t practical for me. I put my mask on when I arrive at the office and take it off again as soon as I reach my desk. It goes on again when I go to the printer, make a drink, go to the loo etc. I’d have needed at least 10 masks today!

Considering there’s only 5 of us in the office and we’re more than 2m apart I don’t see the point in continually changing it.

Plimpy · 27/07/2020 18:56

Poor you, now get a extra large grip and mask up bucko

Would you say that to a member of one religion who was forced to wear the symbol of another?

Alabamawhirly1 · 27/07/2020 18:57

Here's an idea, if you wanna wear a mask wear a mask, if you're more comfortable in a face covering such as op has recommended, wear that. If you don't wanna wear a mask don't bother and use whatever excuse you want.

And if you see someone who isn't wearing a mask or isn't wearing a mask up to your standards - how about you just keep your distance from them. Then they can't infect you can they.

There problem solved.

If people don't chill out soon, we'll have a MN national covid guard patrolling the streets, checking people's shopping, assessing the appropriateness of their masks, measuring their distance from others and doing random spot checks on houses to make sure no grannies are kissing their grandkids.

Barney60 · 27/07/2020 18:59

id never heard of a "neck gaiter" so googled it, this is what it said, the material is often thin to make item more comfortable, which means a decreased ability to protect wearer, they often do not contain droplets from for example a cough/sneeze from penetrating.

Plimpy · 27/07/2020 19:00

If this is not the case, what accounts for the decreasing of cases in countries that use this in their protocol?

Spain has a very strict mask mandate for months now.
They've just reinstated quarantine due to a rise in cases.

Japan has a high instance of mask wearing. Their cases are also rising. www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-tokyo-japan-record-high-daily-cases-a9609746.html

There will be many factors as to why death rates vary so wildly from country to country. Mask use doesn't always correlate to a reduction in cases.

YogiBearcub · 27/07/2020 19:00

It is a very bad idea to not wear a well fitting mask (cotton if home made, but surgical masks are best) that covers the nose and mouth area properly. Bandanas are not effective. This is according to a fact checked study in the scientific journal Physics of Fluids from AIP Publishing. 🤓 A summary for laypeople like me can be found here : www.healthline.com/health-news/best-materials-for-covid19-face-masks.

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