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Government vote against protecting NHS from being sold off

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PileofToss · 21/07/2020 22:52

I’ve scanned for a thread about this but can’t see one.

Tories unanimously voted against Article 17, intended to protect the NHS and other public services in the UK from any form of control outside the UK.

Isn’t this exactly what Labour said would happen? Is there another logical reason for voting against this?

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Also many mainstream media outlets aren’t reporting on this 🤔

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PileofToss · 21/07/2020 22:53

Ignore voting, I always forget to turn it off 😠

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Foxinsocks1 · 21/07/2020 22:54

It was the plan all along. Not surprised

AnyFucker · 21/07/2020 22:55

I just cannot understand this. It is totally beyond me Confused

PileofToss · 21/07/2020 23:02

I’m not in the least bit surprised, this government have been a total shit show from the start.

I’m annoyed it’s not being more publicly discussed though.

I’m also furious at everyone that voted this bunch of dickheads in, including my own DM 😡

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PercyKirke · 21/07/2020 23:14

What on earth are you talking about? Sold off? To whom? When? How?

Article 17 of what? The NHS has been run under Tory Governments for longer than it has been run under Labour ones and it is still here. If Thatcher didn't/couldn't sell it off no way is Boris going to. I call bullshit.

MingeofDeath · 21/07/2020 23:17

Trump did say that there would be no post Brexit trade negotiations if the NHS wasnt included. US healthcare companies are circling the NHS like sharks. Eventually it will be a brand name only.

ZombieFan · 21/07/2020 23:26

The suggestion that Boris will sell off our hospitals is nonsense.

We dont need laws to stop things happening that are never going to happen.

Most likely the Green Party have a hidden agenda?

Hearwego · 21/07/2020 23:27

Serious observation/ question here ,but wasn’t it the last Labour government who contributed a lot towards privatising parts of the NHS. I believe Tony Blair built Hospitals but got private companies to do it who will take decades to pay off.
And wasn’t it Brown who brought in PFIs for the NHS? I totally stand to be corrected.
I don’t believe it will ever be fully sold off, who would really like to run something that costs so much to run?!

somewhereovertherainbutt · 21/07/2020 23:33

You're right OP, it's a scandal.

Government vote against protecting NHS from being sold off
somewhereovertherainbutt · 21/07/2020 23:35

'On the table' means just that. I see you, shills.

AgeLikeWine · 21/07/2020 23:39

It’s a Labour amendment, so of course the Tories are not going to vote for it. That’s how politics works, and the fact that they haven’t voted for it doesn’t mean they are going to sell off the NHS...

Givingup123456 · 21/07/2020 23:42

What does sell of the NHS mean exactly. İ never understood this

TheHighestSardine · 22/07/2020 00:22

@Givingup123456 Contracts to provide specific services - stuff like CAT scans, blood tests, long term palliative care, patient transport, cleaning, whatever - can go to in-house NHS facilities, or external facilities run by private companies. Private companies that have no duty of care, and can be run by unscrupulous bastards. Or that are great, either is possible. One is more likely though.

Give enough of those contracts out to private companies, and the government can say "well, the NHS needs less money because it's providing less services" and suddenly local trusts need to shut down A&Es in some hospitals, or consolidate cardiac care to a single big-town hospital instead of having wards at various places, and suddenly patients are having to be carted an hour away and dying on the way.

This "failure of the NHS" is then cited as a reason to pass off even more facilities to private run companies, and the circle continues until only the most central services are still being provided by the stunted leftover of the NHS, and everything else is being provided (often badly and without clinical and regulatory oversight) by the lowest private bidder, now being paid directly from the Government coffers.

Now go check the register of interests for MPs, and see how many of them are involved in private healthcare companies as board members... and how many ex-MPs end up on those boards after being involved with NHS contract allocation.

And that, my children, is how the taxpayer's money goes straight to corrupt MP's pockets.

TheHighestSardine · 22/07/2020 00:23

Arse. "Fewer services" /personal bugbear

lydia7986 · 22/07/2020 00:27

This clause that the Tories voted against was a Labour amendment. The Tories never vote in favour of Labour amendments, regardless of whether they agree with them or not, because that allows the opposition to claim a victory over the government.

Are you new to British politics? 😂

lydia7986 · 22/07/2020 00:28

Any majority government will vote down an opposition amendment.

That doesn’t mean that they’re going to do the thing the amendment forbids.

lydia7986 · 22/07/2020 00:32

And ‘mainstream media organisations’ aren’t reporting on it because to anyone with a basic understanding of British politics, it isn’t news.

Government puts forward legislation. Opposition proposes amendment. Government votes down amendment. Opposition criticises government for voting down amendment.

This happens every single time the government introduces legislation into the House of Commons.

LimpidPools · 22/07/2020 00:35

@lydia7986

Any majority government will vote down an opposition amendment.

That doesn’t mean that they’re going to do the thing the amendment forbids.

Perhaps not. But in this case they probably are.
TotorosFurryBehind · 22/07/2020 00:37

It is sickening...all that 'protect the NHS' propaganda they have been spouting and then this ☹️

CayrolBaaaskin · 22/07/2020 00:42

@thehighestsardine - “private companies have no duty of care”? Wtaf are you talking about. There are many services and goods provided in the NHS by private providers (eg GPs surgeries are almost always private partnerships). Some are good and some are not same as services provided directly by the public sector. There is no difference in respect of duty of care to the patient.

There are no plans to “sell” the NHS to anyone. Apart from anything else, it’s a massive cost to the taxpayer. As pps have said too, it’s entirely normal for the opposition to propose amendments and the government to vote against them.

I’m no Tory but can’t abide conspiracy theory nonsense.

lydia7986 · 22/07/2020 00:45

I would also point out that Labour proposed this amendment in the full knowledge that the Tories would reject it (as they do every single opposition amendment). Labour knew it would never pass in a million years.

In fact, Labour introduced the amendment because they knew the Tories would reject it - as that gives them an easy ‘Tories can’t be trusted with the NHS’ headline.

(I’m not criticising Labour for this btw - they’re doing what any rational opposition party would do)

CayrolBaaaskin · 22/07/2020 00:46

@TheHighestSardine - there’s probably more clinical and regulatory oversight of contracted out services too. Often (but not always ofc) they’re much better value for money too.

Alsohuman · 22/07/2020 00:51

So now the NHS can be included in trade deals and Kaiser Permenante and its ilk will be circling. Nye Bevan must be rotating in his grave.

SpillTheTeaa · 22/07/2020 00:52

I don't understand politics at all. Probably because I'm a bit thick but that's why I like to read the replies on here when people actually talk sense and ease my anxiety a bit. Thank you Cayrol

lydia7986 · 22/07/2020 00:55

So now the NHS can be included in trade deals

To the extent that that’s true, it was already true before today.

There has been no change to the status quo.