Government vote against protecting NHS from being sold off

[PileofToss]

I’ve scanned for a thread about this but can’t see one.

Tories unanimously voted against Article 17, intended to protect the NHS and other public services in the UK from any form of control outside the UK.

Isn’t this exactly what Labour said would happen? Is there another logical reason for voting against this?

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Also many mainstream media outlets aren’t reporting on this 🤔

@PercyKirke

What on earth are you talking about? Sold off? To whom? When? How? Article 17 of what? The NHS has been run under Tory Governments for longer than it has been run under Labour ones and it is still here. If Thatcher didn't/couldn't sell it off no way is Boris going to. I call bullshit.

The NHS as a whole is still here. Maybe it will be in perpetuity, albeit in name only.

However, the Tories tend to sell off more chunks of it than Labour ever have or will. And this will now likely accelerate.

If you aren't aware this has been going on, you should learn about it.

Why are you surprised? The Tories have lied about everything else.

It's not like the Tories have ever went back on a promise before.....

@CayrolBaaaskin I hope you're right.

This thread is just political shit stirring.

@SpillTheTeaa

I don't understand politics at all. Probably because I'm a bit thick but that's why I like to read the replies on here when people actually talk sense and ease my anxiety a bit. Thank you Cayrol

I'll be honest, if you don't understand politics and genuinely want to I wouldnt start here in aibu. I'm glad you felt reassured but I thought the post you were referring to was nonsense.

What you're doing IMO is allowing yourself to be placated.

I don't mean to pick on you specifically, I just happened to read your post!

People need to put in the time to understand as the UK standard of living has slipped a long way behind many other countries - and this is possible because people don't ask enough about how a big decision can impact at their street/town/job/pocket level.

There may not be an actual master plan to sell of the entire NHS, but for sure there will be increased for profit aspects and this will not benefit us as patients. It will take money away from delivering patient care, and instead it will go to shareholders of the private companies who get the contracts.

This thread is TOTAL shit stirring.

Yes, Tories will never ever ever vote for a Labour amendment and Labour will never ever ever vote for a Tory amendment - British politics is incredibly tribal. I’m not saying that’s a good thing, but it’s the reality.

I'm glad at least some people see behind the headlines and understand politics, so much oUtRaGe on social media. Also some contracted services here are so so much better and more efficient than those run directly by the NHS. I don't think that the right way forward is just to contract more and more out, but for the good of the public and its staff needs some changes.

@FeelTheRush

This thread is TOTAL shit stirring.

Yes, Tories will never ever ever vote for a Labour amendment and Labour will never ever ever vote for a Tory amendment - British politics is incredibly tribal. I’m not saying that’s a good thing, but it’s the reality.

I don't think worrying about the substance behind the amendment is shit stirring.

We do have tribal politics, but we are also about to enter the period where the current government starts making big changes.

Changes to justice, planning, health, devolution are all on the cards. None of it will benefit your average town/city when you look at plans. We are in for a grim time.

I thought this was quite a balanced article and interesting to see an American point of view. Is december 2019 for clarity.
I personally trust nothing the government says any longer after coronavirus.

www.cnbc.com/2019/12/11/why-a-us-uk-trade-deal-including-the-nhs-is-unpopular-among-brits.html

Thanks everyone for your replies - I do understand British politics (thanks very much 😂) but that doesn’t stop me from being suspicious of what’s happening at the moment.

This government (not tories in general, THIS particular cabinet of fools) have done nothing to quell my fears that they have no interest in doing what is best for the country. Johnson is a selfish man and also not a very logical one IMO. He makes rash decisions.

I worry that some people have far too much trust in a government which doesn’t give a shit about them or their best interests.

Do people realise that is already happening?
My hospitals sexual health clinic went private in April, all the big London hospitals have outside pathology services and it’s slowly creeping out of London.

The issue isn’t just that they voted this down, it’s the context of the wider bill that our sovereign Parliament will have no say on what trade deals the Tories decide to sign us up to. So much for taking back control eh? This cabinet can pretty much do whatever they want when it comes to trade with no Parliamentary scrutiny. It would be less worrying if there seemed to be any sort of plan. We are currently looking at no deal with the EU, a broken internal market (NI), no trade deal with US before the US election and very little chance of getting one once Trump fails to be re-elected. We are struggling to roll over our trade deals with EU trade partners and face sanctions on and from China. As it stands 90% of trade from Jan 2021 with face both tariffs and non-tariff trade barriers at a time when the country is trying to recover from Covid. On top of that, we will be relying on the WTO enforcing most favoured nation rules at a time when it as an organisation is under a lot of pressure.

Well said @ItWasTheBestOfTimes.

The NHS has been run under Tory Governments for longer than it has been run under Labour ones and it is still here. If Thatcher didn't/couldn't sell it off no way is Boris going to. I call bullshit.

Thatcher wasn't under the same pressure from the US to get a sudden trade deal because the whole trading situation had changed. And the US at that point had not expressed any interest in a dismantled NHS. They have now. Bit of a difference, don't you think?

@ItWasTheBestOfTimes exactly this - you are far more eloquent than I 😂👏🏼

Andrew Lansley massively accelerated the back door privatisation of the NHS in his 2012 bill and it was done so stealthily nobody noticed. The LibDems really do have a lot to answer for, they just went along with it when they could have stopped it in its tracks.