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To be scared of husband when he drinks?

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Marzipanface · 16/07/2020 03:03

My husband of 20 years has a funny relationship with alcohol. He spent the first 12 years of our relationship completely teetotal. He started drinking the odd beer now and again after our first child. He has this pattern where he doesn’t drink for months on end then he’ll start having a few beers on a Friday eve, then it becomes 3/4 of an evening all over the weekend, then he starts buying crates of beer and suddenly it’s one or two every night, then the usual pattern is he will get completely pissed and be a colossal fuckwit towards me - then he gives it up again.

About five times in the whole of our relationship, he has got completely off his face and behaved appallingly. Saying unpleasant stuff to me, shouting and swearing, and at one point exhibiting self-harm. I managed to shield the kids from those episodes. Most of the time they were asleep as it happened at night.

He is unreasonable, irrational, makes no sense and is unable to co-parent effectively after drinking. I’ve started to get quite twitchy and anxious when I see he has bought a crate of beer.

Tonight he started complimenting me more than normal and getting very soppy with all of us. Telling me not to worry about stuff (minor finance issues) and generally reassuring me and being lovely. The problem is that when he becomes really emotional, it usually means he has been drinking in his office, and that a few hours later he will potentially become argumentative.

He did. I was trying to put my ten year old to sleep which is extremely hard as she has ADD/ASD and cannot sleep well at all. During lockdown with the lack of school and exercise to regulate her, her bedtimes are becoming ridiculous. At 12.30 I realized she was still awake so I came to her room and asked her to clean her teeth (again) and get into bed. Normally my DH would back me up on this tricky bedtime, but when he appeared he was obviously drunk. I took my daughter in the bathroom and made her do her teeth, and I started trying not to cry. I’m fucking tired, I’ve had the kids 24/7 during lockdown and I find it really frustrating when DH is supposed to be supervising her bedtime whilst I put the other one to bed, he was downstairs drinking and playing PC games.

Crying seemed to annoy him as he started asking why I was crying. Then he got louder and louder so I told him I would film him so he could watch it the next day to see how he behaves. I then told him I was tired and I was off back to bed. He started BELLOWING at the tip of his voice that I ‘wanted a fucking argument as usual’. I told him repeatedly that I’d didn’t and was going to bed but when he is pissed, he doesn’t actually listen. He stamped up the stairs shouting at me and woke my youngest. He was terrified as he has never actually seen Daddy that loud and angry before. My oldest started crying as well and was begging him to to stop.

He did and he went to bed but I’m left physically shaking, and very tearful. The problem is I grew up in a household with violent parents and I feel like I’m ten years old scared in my room.

The two of us have worked really hard to give our children a safe, stress free, happy household so I’m furious that he has behaved like this in front them.

Our relationship has always been relatively good. He is supportive, kind, caring - particularly during some bad health on my part. We get along great and he makes me laugh. But every now and then he gets leathered and I can’t handle it.

I don’t know if I should just be writing this off as him being pissed and not worrying to much about it as I’ve only seen him really drunk about five/six times throughout our 20 year relationship, or if I should be really worried. I felt unsafe and scared in our home earlier and my children were bewildered and scared as well.

Any advice? Am I overreacting to a stressed out DH who has had a few beers to decompress, or is it something worrying?

OP posts:
whattimeisitrightnow · 16/07/2020 10:55

This bit stuck out to me:
‘The two of us have worked really hard to give our children a safe, stress free, happy household’
The two of you haven’t done anything - it’s all you. Your DH terrified your children last night, so they are no longer in a happy household. I couldn’t forgive that, especially as you grew up in such a household yourself.

LannieDuck · 16/07/2020 11:39

This isn't for you to solve OP. What does he intend to do about it to ensure he never terrifies his children like that again?

If he can't come up with a good plan, I think I would have to ask him to leave until he does.

Justmuddlingalong · 16/07/2020 11:49

My exH was like this. I left him 20 years ago. Even though DP very seldom drinks and when he does never gets pissed or argumentative or abusive or vile, I still have the fear because of my ex's behaviour when drinking. Your children and you are being abused. Break the cycle, because it doesn't appear your DH has any intention to. The arsehole /apology script wears thin very quickly, and yet he's still using it. 💐

originaldiv · 16/07/2020 12:00

My ex-DH would be like this. I never knew what his mood would be like, he couldn't stop and in the end I was anxious every time he drank. I started saying stay out if you're gonna drink but I realised that was me trying to manage him.
He had so many 'bad' nights when drinking - fighting/ending up in A&E/ losing his stuff/ being a total aggressive nob in front of me and the kids - in the end just before we split up he completely embarrassed me in front of some teachers from dc's school! That was it for me - I couldn't forgive that.
One night he came back, woke the kids up with his shouting and the next day he said he wasn't drinking again. Then it changed to 'having some time off' and then little by little it crept back into the same cycle.
We are now divorced and that was a MAJOR factor in the decision to get rid of him. I hated that anxious/walking on eggshells feeling that made me scared, hated knowing that any minute I could say something wrong which would start him off and that would be it.
People like that should not drink AT ALL

PopsicleHustler · 16/07/2020 12:22

I hate alcohol. My parents were alcoholics. They wasted so much money on alcohol while we went without a lot of things. It makes me so depressed looking back on my crap childhood. I used to actually pour the vodka down the sink and quickly replace it with water when they went to the bathroom or to another room to get more tapes and CDs. I hated it. Absolutely hated it. They would fight and would drink until they were completely slaughtered. On the nights they would drink, we even went without dinner some times and would just eat snacks. They would bring home ransdoms from the pub to drink with them and I hated it. Everyday coming home from school or work as a child and teenager, I would walk round from the bus stop hoping they wouldn't be drunk or getting drunk. It was awful

I had to leave when I was 18 and dont have contact with any of my immediate family now due to that and other issues.

Am sorry to hear of your situation. I would consider leaving the marriage if he doesnt accept he has to stop drinking and physically put an end to it. Give him an ultimatum. This isnt fair to you or your children. Wish you all the best and send lots of love and hugs your way !

thepeopleversuswork · 16/07/2020 12:25

He has a problem with alcohol. The amount and frequency is irrelevant. If its a problem for you and your children and it clearly is its a problem.

I was married to someone like this and it won't even begin to improve unless and until he takes responsibility for this. And even then its not a foregone conclusion. He will need to really want to change it and even then it will be difficult. The fact that he has given it up before is a positive, it shows he can. But alcoholism is a progressive disease and he would basically have to stop for good.

I don't want to be negative but living with someone with a drinking problem is horrific for children. You need at the very least to make it clear that you won't tolerate this in your family home. I would give some very serious thought to whether you want to remain in this marriage.

PopsicleHustler · 16/07/2020 12:28

Marzipanface my love am so sorry that you grew up in a violent home. That breaks my heart. So sorry.

Did you play your husband the video of him ranting and raving

LemonFanta123 · 16/07/2020 12:31

No child should ever feel scared in their own home.

For me it’d be quit drinking for good or lose your family!

backseatcookers · 16/07/2020 12:33

@PopsicleHustler

That just broken my heart, wish someone could have scooped you up and rescued you Thanks

DonLewis · 16/07/2020 12:34

I wouldn't live on the shadow of fear. Worried about whether those 4 cans are all there is, worried about him tipping over to bellowing and nasty, worried about the children seeing it all.

And if he was a truly decent person, he wouldn't want you and the children to live in the shadow of that fear either.

He has to decide how he's going to be moving forward. A decent person who doesn't terrify his family or a man with a drink problem who stomps all over the calm and peaceful household that you've created. If he can't choose decent I'd make the choice for him. Flowers

MitziK · 16/07/2020 12:40

He knows.

That's why he was teetotal for 12 years. Because of whatever he did just before that to somebody else. Has he ever told you what he did?

AtLeastThreeDrinks · 16/07/2020 12:51

Being remorseful isn't a solution. He has a drinking problem and needs to take responsibility for it. Now's a really bad time for service cutbacks but if he really wants to change I'd be asking how he intends to do this. Not just that he's going to stop, but what measures he's putting in place to stop himself reaching for a beer when temptation strikes. And if he can't, you need to think about whether you can stay in an environment where you and your children are scared and anxious.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 16/07/2020 12:51

My husband drinks in a similar patter, but without the teetotal parts - ie he drinks 'normally' in a take it or leave it way for years, then he blows up like this. It is always a response to some horrendous stress and it is always horrendous. He wouldn't hurt a fly rest of the time.

His last blowout was two years ago and it was the last one. He crossed a line and I threatened to call the police. I won't go into more details as it's not my thread, but the point is I was somehow able to make him see that he handled stress in a particularly bad way and that this kind of rage blowout always followed. I don't know what I did to make him see it this time, but maybe if you showed DP the video that might be enough?

PopsicleHustler · 16/07/2020 13:02

@backseatcookers thanks your reply. I hope you're doing well. Eventually, sadly , I actually got used to it. Booze was then a normal part of my parents life. One of my parents was also severely mentally I'll and even worse.now I think due to the fact of mixing their medications with alcohol. I hated it. There was affairs too and just a really crap lifestyle. One of my siblings also turned to drugs and abused me, violently even to one extent stealing from us all to fund their habit and sitting on my stomach when I was pregnant with my first child. An elderly sibling also beat me and threw stereos and typewriters at me and I just had such a horrible time of it. Espexiialy when my parents went to the pub and would leave us with my older aibling and get would lock us in our bedrooms and we would cry and it was just bloody terrible.

Now I'm in a much better place. I am married with 4 children and expecting our 5th. I have a fantastic husband who came from a great family. He brought me closer to God and we have such a laugh together. I am just sad I have no family. I only have my granny in ireland and that's it but I thank God for everything I have and focus on my children and my family.

I really feel sad for the OP. she seems to have had a bad childhood too, and now going through this. I completely sympathise and wish her all the best.
I wish you and your family all the best too backstreetcooker :) hope you're having a lovely day!

Hidingtonothing · 16/07/2020 13:16

OP I think he needs to understand that the next time (and there will be a next time) those four cans appear he will have to leave. Tell him now that you won't be listening when he says 'but it's only a couple', it's nothing at all ever again or he goes. But you have to really mean it, and be strong enough to stick to it when the inevitable happens. This man cannot have a 'normal' relationship with alcohol, so the only thing he can do to protect you and DC from what happened last night happening again is not drink at all.

MaxNormal · 16/07/2020 13:20

He has to stop drinking permanently. He cannot drink safely.

CodenameVillanelle · 16/07/2020 13:38

Does he understand that he has a problem and needs professional help to deal with it?
I had an EXH like this. He always thought he could deal with it himself and would be a 'dry drunk' for months on end before the consumption would creep up and we'd end up with a few weeks of binges before he'd 'quit' and the cycle would start again. He's been doing it the entire 19 years I've known him.

Wolfiefan · 16/07/2020 13:45

If a person can’t stop once they start drinking then there’s a problem.
If the drinking affects their relationship then there’s a problem.
If being drunk makes them abusive or violent etc then there’s a problem.
It doesn’t matter if it’s once a year or every 10 years.
You and your children deserve to feel safe and secure at home.
Al Anon offers support to families.

Lobsterquadrille2 · 16/07/2020 14:03

He sounds like an alcoholic who is aware that he has a problem and most of the time has managed to maintain tight control. I wonder what his drinking patterns were like before you met him? It's quite common (we call it the disease of forgetfulness) not to remember the inevitable consequences after a period of sobriety, and to think that we can be a normal drinker, when I reality we never can. So he experiments with a couple of drinks, thinks he's cured, increases it - and then slides into the abyss again when all bets are off. I've done it myself many times. The only solution is complete abstinence and the acceptance that one drink is too many and a thousand are not enough.

Tappering · 16/07/2020 14:14

If you drink again then I will leave with the children and file for divorce. Your choice.

Marzipanface · 16/07/2020 14:28

I can’t leave. I have no where to go. It’s the usual story I’m afraid. No money, no family, no support. I don’t even drive due to being really bad with sensory overload. I don’t want to leave. I like my life. I just don’t like the five times he’s got very drunk. I like all the other billion times he hasn’t.

I’m not a big drinker and alcohol has never played a large part in my life. Do only some people become angry and aggressive when drunk then? What does this mean? Does it mean they are hiding these feelings normally? I’m trying to work out if it is just the booze or if he is hiding his real self. I don’t know how you can spent 20 years with someone feeling safe and protected for them to suddenly make you feel the opposite. Is it me?

Thank you all for some perspective.

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averythinline · 16/07/2020 15:06

You don't need to drive to split up...why doesn't he leave ? Please don't use money as an excuse for your children being scared ...

If he does something about his drinking then maybe he can save the relationship... but it needs to be him that does it ....not everyone that drinks behaves like this .... but he does ...so it is on him to sort out .. whether via GP or AA ... al-anon could be really helpful for you ..

Your only input should be ... what is he going to do to make sure it doesn't happen again and recognition that he has a problem

Motoko · 16/07/2020 15:26

If he doesn't give up drinking, and you're not willing to end the relationship, then this is going to get worse, and you and your children will continue to be scared.

Go and speak to a solicitor. If you're the main carer for your children, you will be entitled to more of a split in the assetts, including his pension. You will have money. Anyway, plenty of women leave relationships with only the clothes on their backs, and the money in their purse. There is help out there.

It won't be easy, but if he carries on drinking, it will be necessary, or your children will suffer the same as you did, and you're perpetuating the cycle.

His behaviour is escalating. How long before he becomes violent?

Hidingtonothing · 16/07/2020 15:29

Alcohol just affects some people badly, I don't think in this case that it means he's hiding his true self/feelings the rest of the time, he just has a bad reaction when he drinks at a certain level.

The only solution to it from his perspective is to not drink at all and if he knows it damages the people he cares about that's exactly what he should be doing. If he can't/won't then you have a deeper problem but it's a fairly simple fix if he will just stop drinking.

He's clearly not alcohol dependant if he goes long stretches without drinking (if I've got that right OP?) so it's a choice for him to drink and he can also choose not to. You don't need to leave, he will need to if he can't stick to no drinking but you don't need to go anywhere. And no, it's not you, it's 100% about his unhealthy relationship with alcohol.

safariboot · 16/07/2020 15:29

He's a problem drinker. He needs to first accept that, and second seek support.

You mention the situation arose after your first child was born. Children are stressful, but it does seem to be all too common that men stop bothering to be decent people once they've managed to pass on their genes.

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