Should kids wear facemasks in school to reduce second wave and more school closures?

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Should kids wear masks in school in September when there are 30 in a class to reduce chances of second wave and avoid school shut down again?

Yes you are being unreasonable. There is no need to mask children. Children are extremely low risk of serious illness, there is also a wealth of evidence that shows that children do not spread infection to each other or to adults. If they do it is extremely rare. Covering the airways of children for no other reason than to assuage your anxiety is beyond cruel. Teaching unions must be careful what they are pushing for, if they succeed in these cruel measures schools will be empty.

From personal experience, adults get it kids don't. My best friend had it for weeks and was pretty bad, single Mum, so her 3 kids (from 17-12) had to lockdown with her - none of them showed any symptoms at all. Her eldest was randomly chosen for testing recently and result was negative.

Her kids may have had it but asymptomatically-they don't tend to suffer from covid the way adults do but can still have it.
Also, unless, it was an antibody test, all testing means is that you don't have enough covid in your system for it to show up, or you do not have covid, at the time of being swabbed. It does not mean you didn't have it weeks earlier. A person can have been exposed to covid within a few days of testing and it wouldn't show up on the swab because there needs to be enough virile cells in the body for it to register on a test.

There is also a wealth of evidence that shows that children do not spread infection to each other or to adults.

Please cite some of this 'wealth' of evidence.

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No bloody way!

May sound harsh but I don’t care, it’s child abuse! Children do not spread the virus! The WHO can’t out and told us this! Then back tracked! Please do your research! We are being advised by people invested in big pharma, who send to gain lot of money from these so called vaccines!!

Also the effects, not just the social effects but the damage to their physical health! Completely unreasonable and disgusting in my opinion!

Everyone is being brainwashed by the media! Everyone needs to wake up to what is happening here!

@slipperywhensparticus what is wrong with you? Restricting a child's fresh air and oxygen is beyond cruel and will do immeasurable harm particularly from a mental health perspective. Are you one of those people who said "you're only sitting at home watching Netflix, it's not going to do you any harm"? 4 months later there has been reported a 1500% increase in abusive head trauma, children have committed suicide, parents who have lost their jobs cannot feed their kids, children have had no social contact except via a computer screen and millions of children have done no school work at all.

Some of the behaviour being advocated towards children for something that barely affects them would have earned you a visit from social services a few months ago. Munchausen by Proxy is a very serious form of child abuse. Be careful what you are asking for.

@Lifeisabeach09, go onto the science pages and look up the bodies of research done. It's well documented. When outbreaks started in meat processing plants, they started testing children in schools. The Adults would test positive but not the children. In cases were children were positive, transmission wasn't happening. That's primary aged children. Oxford University took this information on board and their vaccine not only promotes an immune response, but also charges up the killer t cell response, which apparently is what happens in the under 10 year olds.

The information on this is across lots of papers and has been talked about by the virologists etc.

@lifeisabeach09

Yes, no problem. Here you go :

dontforgetthebubbles.com/evidence-summary-paediatric-covid-19-literature/

There are a huge number of studies you can read through. They've been around for months. This is the reason that children under 12 no longer have to social distance in Scotland. A recent study from Germany shows that children act as a barrier to the spread as any infection that reaches them is stopped. The evidence that children do not spread infection is much stronger than the evidence that masks stop the spread and has been known for quite some time.

@Ponoka7, if people refer to research, they should cite at least one example.
@AllieBee83, thanks, I'll have a read.

Good grief, I can't believe this thread. Turn off the BBC and read some science. I will fight tooth and nail against anyone who tries to inflict this controlling and abusive behaviour on my kids. So what you want with your own kids but keep mine out of it.

@lifeisabeach09 there is so much of it it's impossible to cite just one study.

Some of you have a fucked up idea of child abuse. The muchhausen by proxy involves deliberate harm by a caregiver in order to elicit sympathy from others. Not sure how this applies to any poster in this thread

Will you be banning your 11 plus children from ships hairdresser's etc to avoid "depriving them of oxygen" FFS. The last links that have been provided say that transmission by kids is uncertain but has happened but likely to be at a lower rate than adults, not that they don' t spread it. I think that exempting under 11's is reasonable but older than that it should still apply.

@AllieBee83, I understand thatbut if a person is going to say there is a 'wealth' of research back it up a littleas you did with the link.

@walksen there's a big difference between popping into a shop for a few minutes and being in school all day.

So it's ok to be "cruel and deprive them of oxygen" as long as it is only 15 to 30 minutes then? How long is acceptable? Who decides? After how long does it become " child abuse"

If you are going to use hyperbole to describe wearing masks and believe it is child abuse then maybe that poster should be reporting all families making their kids wear them to go shopping to social services. Either that or stop being so bloody ridiculous

So what about secondary school children? What research has been done on them?

Children do not spread the virus

Why oh why do some people just keep on coming out with crap like this? Of course they can spread it. They spread every other fucking virus why would this one be any different?

Our neighbours little boy caught it and passed it onto both parents and his sister if you want so anecdata. He is 4.

An interesting swathe of anti-maskers seem to have arrived this morning - welcome!

The simple prospect is... either staff & children in schools are protected when they return or there will be strikes, resignations, local lockdowns, the unions will be up in arms & there will a huge shortage of teachers. Children's education will be disrupted far more than it has been already.

55 outbreaks in schools last week!

Choice is yours but I'd prepare to home educate if I were you.
Staff have a right to be safe and if they aren't... they will walk with their feet.

@porcupineinwaiting you should tell your neighbours to contact WHO as they're really interested in child to adult transmission. It is extremely rare.

@pebble21UK was child to adult transmission responsible for these outbreaks? Who was affected? Who was the index case?

There is a mountain of evidence to show that children do not drive infection and schools have had next to no effect on community transmission. I have posted some of it above, there is a lot more.

I'm confused as to why school outbreaks are now more prevalent than hospital, prison and workplaces then? Adults in schools social distance from each other more easily than in workplaces / factories?

I'm sorry, but I think there has been a big effort to turn absence of evidence into evidence of absence here, because to admit the alternative isn't palatable to many parents.

Actually Allie it's not that interesting.

Pressed post too soon.

Or that rare.

I’m incredibly against this. Children have already paid too high a price on all
This. We won’t know the full effects for years but this has been devastating. It still seems unlikely children spread it. Mouths needs to be uncovered for learning. Young children fiddle with masks meaning they are likely counterproductive

But I have been against this whole farce frI’m the start. My vulnerable family have to shield whether or not my kids’ future is ruined or not

@porcupineinwaiting i think you will find that it is. Have you actually read any of the studies? There are very few documented cases of child to adult transmission. There are few case reports, with poorly documented data, describing a paediatric case as potential source of infection for adults according to ECDC.