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To think that we are being forced into a cashless society?

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rockingthelook · 12/07/2020 21:54

My parents really don't like to use debit cards, especially the contactless ones, however , due to C19 this seems to be the way forward? They like to take their money from the bank and use the cash rather than cards, really don't want to bank or pay for anything online because they don't trust it, but everything seems to be geared towards contactless. They had a walk today and wanted to buy a cup of tea from a takeaway cafe and couldn't, not only because the place wouldn't take cash, but the cards had to be contactless, and their cards aren't (they asked not to have this feature as frightened of them being stolen and used) It seems to be that the banks etc are using the C19 situation to force things through, my mum was even told by the cashier in the bank the other day to use the cash machine in the bank rather than get the cash over the counter because of the 'risks', fgs it's THEIR money, can't believe Age Concern/UK aren't all over this!

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Floella4 · 13/07/2020 21:30

@BakedBlossoms

I’m a Christian and in the bible this technology is literally spelled out word for word as the mark of the beast. Isn’t it incredible that 50 years ago they weren’t able to accurately predict future technology but 2000 years ago they got it exactly right and in exact alignment with several political events.
That’s fine, it’s a personal choice we all have a right to make. I’m just commenting my opinions like everyone else on a public forum, no need to be rude ☺️ If you look it up for yourself you will see that it was literally predicted exactly like this tho ...
Coronabegone · 13/07/2020 21:30

I’m a Christian and in the bible this technology is literally spelled out word for word as the mark of the beast. Isn’t it incredible that 50 years ago they weren’t able to accurately predict future technology but 2000 years ago they got it exactly right and in exact alignment with several political events.
If a chip ever comes in my lifetime, I won’t be taking it

Hmmm I suppose when Moses was dealing with the tablet of stone, he didn't consider online banking!!

Interesting you're using the Internet, which is technology... but not the mark of the beast? Was it just online banking that was noted in the bible? @Floella4

BakedBlossoms · 13/07/2020 21:32

Hmmm I suppose when Moses was dealing with the tablet of stone, he didn't consider online banking!!

Grin
BakedBlossoms · 13/07/2020 21:33

anyway I'd love a chip in my hand to pay for shit with, where do I sign up?

LovingLen · 13/07/2020 21:36

It’s not disappearing anytime soon it’s in the news that the government are going to draw up laws to tell the banks to provide cash machines within a reasonable distance from everyone’s homes. Apparently it was in the Budget in March to protect the vulnerable

Floella4 · 13/07/2020 21:36

@Coronabegone

*I’m a Christian and in the bible this technology is literally spelled out word for word as the mark of the beast. Isn’t it incredible that 50 years ago they weren’t able to accurately predict future technology but 2000 years ago they got it exactly right and in exact alignment with several political events. If a chip ever comes in my lifetime, I won’t be taking it*

Hmmm I suppose when Moses was dealing with the tablet of stone, he didn't consider online banking!!

Interesting you're using the Internet, which is technology... but not the mark of the beast? Was it just online banking that was noted in the bible? @Floella4

I’m really curious what your message is trying to imply ?? You obviously haven’t read the bible as you are not saying anything accurate, and to anyone with any degree biblical or theological knowledge they would see you don’t have a clue what you are talking about so you’ve not been able to make any remotely worthwhile points. I’m not sure why you’ve attempted to argue something you don’t have knowledge on...

The Mark of the Beast has nothing to do with Moses and the tablet of stone and also has nothing to do with internet banking, I didn’t say either of these things

What I said is it has everything to do with using microchips in our hands as payment. This is very real technology which is being rolled out in Sweden currently. It was literally written 2000 years ago that there will be a mark put in your hand which controls your ability to buy and sell.

Coronabegone · 13/07/2020 21:36

Me too @BakedBlossoms fecking face recognition with a mask on for Apple Pay is doing me in, it keeps reverting to passcode FFS!

Coronabegone · 13/07/2020 21:38

*I’m really curious what your message is trying to imply ?? You obviously haven’t read the bible as you are not saying anything accurate, and to anyone with any degree biblical or theological knowledge they would see you don’t have a clue what you are talking about so you’ve not been able to make any remotely worthwhile points. I’m not sure why you’ve attempted to argue something you don’t have knowledge on...

The Mark of the Beast has nothing to do with Moses and the tablet of stone and also has nothing to do with internet banking, I didn’t say either of these things

What I said is it has everything to do with using microchips in our hands as payment. This is very real technology which is being rolled out in Sweden currently. It was literally written 2000 years ago that there will be a mark put in your hand which controls your ability to buy and sell.*

Because it's all mumbo jumbo!!!

Floella4 · 13/07/2020 21:39

@Coronabegone

*I’m really curious what your message is trying to imply ?? You obviously haven’t read the bible as you are not saying anything accurate, and to anyone with any degree biblical or theological knowledge they would see you don’t have a clue what you are talking about so you’ve not been able to make any remotely worthwhile points. I’m not sure why you’ve attempted to argue something you don’t have knowledge on...

The Mark of the Beast has nothing to do with Moses and the tablet of stone and also has nothing to do with internet banking, I didn’t say either of these things

What I said is it has everything to do with using microchips in our hands as payment. This is very real technology which is being rolled out in Sweden currently. It was literally written 2000 years ago that there will be a mark put in your hand which controls your ability to buy and sell.*

Because it's all mumbo jumbo!!!

Lol that’s a totally meaningless response too

It was completely predicted and is happening. Just look up microchip payment in Sweden if you don’t believe me. It’s not a conspiracy.

But it’s your choice if you take it or not and I don’t judge you for anything you chose to do. Just like everyone else I was just stating my opinion ☺️

BakedBlossoms · 13/07/2020 21:42

Anyone selling tinfoil hats?

Coronabegone · 13/07/2020 21:43

@BakedBlossoms do they have a chip in them?

Floella4 · 13/07/2020 21:45

[quote Coronabegone]@BakedBlossoms do they have a chip in them? [/quote]
Do you actually genuinely not believe these chips are real ?

BakedBlossoms · 13/07/2020 21:46

I'm sure they are real Floella, I just don't think they bear any of the symbolism you think they do.

I'd like one!

LovingLen · 13/07/2020 21:47

The chips will be similar to what dogs have won’t they.

Floella4 · 13/07/2020 21:47

@BakedBlossoms

I'm sure they are real Floella, I just don't think they bear any of the symbolism you think they do.

I'd like one!

And I respect your choice, you have free will to make whatever choice you want. Can you respect mine too please instead of being so rude about my beliefs ? ☺️
Coronabegone · 13/07/2020 21:51

@Floella4 the chips are in every bloody contactless card, smart watch, phone etc!

And I have no aversion to microchips, they're just a replacement for smart watches etc! I don't buy anything of any interest to anyone, I mean whatever you buy from eggs to vibrator, to drink to paying for sec etc, it's not really of interest! It can all be tracked now!

No I haven't read the bible, I've far better things to do with my time. So stop just g my choice not to!

Coronabegone · 13/07/2020 21:52

*judging my choice

Floella4 · 13/07/2020 21:55

[quote Coronabegone]@Floella4 the chips are in every bloody contactless card, smart watch, phone etc!

And I have no aversion to microchips, they're just a replacement for smart watches etc! I don't buy anything of any interest to anyone, I mean whatever you buy from eggs to vibrator, to drink to paying for sec etc, it's not really of interest! It can all be tracked now!

No I haven't read the bible, I've far better things to do with my time. So stop just g my choice not to!

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I haven’t judged your choice. As I said before I respect your choice as it is you exercising your free will. However I also believe I should be able to state my opinion and make my choice without you being extremely rude about my beliefs and judging me, which you absolutely have done and can’t deny ☺️ So much for freedom of religion ☺️

CorianderLord · 13/07/2020 21:58

@lakeswimmer your family need to switch provider or adjust their settings or software to get signal.

Other banking methods like Monzo don't require OTP, just your pin and the receivers phone number

CorianderLord · 13/07/2020 21:58

@lakeswimmer your family need to switch provider or adjust their settings or software to get signal.

Other banking methods like Monzo don't require OTP, just your pin and the receivers phone number

Coronabegone · 13/07/2020 22:00

@Floella4 my opinion is it's rubbish..... I'm
entitled to it and stand by it!

How the hell religion comes into a debate on cashless society I don't know!

You need to accept my beliefs and not be rude to me with your "you've obviously not read the bible" quote. It doesn't mean I'm
Ill educated or not knowledgeable, it means ive chosen not to read the bible.

That's my choice.

BakedBlossoms · 13/07/2020 22:04

So much for freedom of religion

Freedom of religion doesn't mean no one is allowed to criticise it.

Floella4 · 13/07/2020 22:05

[quote Coronabegone]@Floella4 my opinion is it's rubbish..... I'm
entitled to it and stand by it!

How the hell religion comes into a debate on cashless society I don't know!

You need to accept my beliefs and not be rude to me with your "you've obviously not read the bible" quote. It doesn't mean I'm
Ill educated or not knowledgeable, it means ive chosen not to read the bible.

That's my choice.

[/quote]
You said you haven’t read the bible because you have better things to do
How on Earth is ‘you’ve obviously not read the bible’ offensive or rude to you if you genuinely haven’t, don’t believe in it and don’t want to ??

and no, you’re not educated in biblical theology sorry but that’s not offensive it’s just a fact ☺️

You still haven’t said anything about how rude you’ve been to me about my beliefs

NotMyTimes · 13/07/2020 22:08

For those who are dismissing cash - how would you manage community events? At our village fete cash is used in the following ways - prizes for sports events including children's sports, buying raffle tickets, paying to enter, paying for parking, paying for face painting, taking part in tombola, coconut shy etc.

Simple, pay for token with card on the door and use those to 'pay' for individual things. Just like hundreds of fetes and fairs use already. Means no messing about with change, counting and bagging it all which is heavy and time consuming. All the funds raised can be easily recorded. No one can't take part just because they've run out of small change, if they want more goes they can just tap to get more tokens and it's all centrally monitored and controlled for the school/charity/whoever the event is for.

Cash facilitates every illegal and harmful transaction in society - drugs, prostitution, mugging, bank/shop robberies, weapons, people not paying taxes, lots of types of fraud ect. The government can already track you in every other way, them knowing that you shop in Sainsbury's not Tesco's, and bought something in wilko's yesterday doesn't make a difference, because it only records where you've spent, not what you've actually spent it on.

As someone who works customer facing role I will continue to refuse cash. It put me, everyone else I work with, and everyone I interact with after accepting that cash until I cash wash my hands again, at risk. And I can't wash my hands between every customer, that would waste so much time, hence why we do contactless first everything. Some companies and businesses choose to be cash only, were card only, if people don't like it they can go somewhere else.

thegcatsmother · 13/07/2020 22:08

hardbackwriter Dh has just retired at 59 and when he handed his iPhone back in at work, he went and bought a dumb phone with a PAYG giff gaff SIM. He neither needs nor wants a smartphone now, having been tied to one for work for the past 6 years.

I've never had much use for a mobile anyway; apart from in an emergency. I don't know where the damn thing is half the time, and if I do find it, it is probably not charged up.

Technology is a choice, and a tool; it is not a legal requirement to use it. I use what suits me, and what doesn't suit me, I don't bother with.

Dh is a CEng, and I am the proud possessor of a tech savvy 24 year old, so my bases are covered thanks. It is possible to keep up with tech changes, but not to use them.