No Wraparound Care from September

[Mum2Girls19]

School has advised that they are not offering wrap around care from September as bubbles cannot be mixed.
They are thinking that part time places are also the way forward as they cannot social distance properly in a smaller place.
Further information hasnt been announced yet
Im a bit lost of how Im going to work without wrap around care, yes im working from home but who knows how long that will be for

Anyone else??

[DianaT1969]

Why won't schools and nurseries allow non-household members to pick up children from playgrounds? No contact is required. It's outside.

[missingmum]

No breakfast or after school club at my school either, they are using the buildings for social distancing and have furloughed the staff, no local childminders have any spaces and already a large waiting list, my dh and I have no parents or family to offer wraparound care.

It's shit.

[NoIDontWatchLoveIsland]

I expect demand for Au pairs to rocket

[TheId]

It's the no bubble mixing that is the issue as obviously after school care will involve children from lots of different year groups.

I think it will be a rare school that has enough space and staff to be able to have after school club with preserved bubbles. Ours could not meet demand for places as it was due to lack of space and lack of staff. Not sure how they would magic up more.
They can't expand into classroom spaces because then they'd have to be cleaned before school the next day.

At the moment their position is they won't be offering any. I wonder if they will make some limited offer in the end and will have to prioritise spaces by need more somehow. Schools are not obliged to offer any wrap around care at all and I think they will be concentrating on opening for education and not on childcare as they are not obliged to provide that.

[RedToothBrush]

I really don't get this at all.

As of this week, Scouting UK has been advising leaders that they can run face to face group meetings of up to 15 kids plus leaders. Some have already run sessions.

So how does that work when the kids are from different year groups and in some cases from different schools?

This will in practice make it 'cross bubble'. Just not on school premises.

I'm very confused as to why and how this fits with the bubble guidance. I think by the time the schools go back the whole idea of bubbles will be a complete nonsense anyway due to sheer numbers.

[MrsWarleggan]

We've been informed this week that breakfast and after school club are running. Had it confirmed last month that summer camp is also running.

[MazDazzle]

@ SandieCheeks it was the childminder development office that told her blended placements currently aren’t allowed.

[tisaginthing]

Our headteacher told us today that wraparound care will resume, but that the children will be kept in their bubbles.
If the two people who run the clubs manage to keep the children in their bubbles, it'll be nothing short of a miracle. No idea how that will happen.
Any adult can pick up a child, so not just the same person every day, but only one adult can come to collect a child at a time.

[RedToothBrush]

The stupid thing is that with no wrap around care parents will do whatever they possibility can to get care. That might mean lots of potentially cross bubble unofficial childcare outside school between families which is a safeguarding nightmare and defeats the bloody point of bubbles.

I think the position on this will ultimately prove untenable, especially when out of school activities start running and parents question the absurdity of those allowed to go ahead but not wraparound care.

[Parker231]

The bubbles are ridiculous. A family could have a couple of DC’s at different schools. One gets the tube to school and one walks with a crowd of friends. Parents use public transport to get to work. After work dad goes to the gym and mum nips into Tesco’s before taking the DC’s to their football and ballet classes. BUT the DC’s can’t go to breakfast and after school clubs because they would mix with different children ? It’s all stupid.

[TheId]

There would be no use complaining to governors about after school provision as there is no obligation on a school to provide any even under usual circumstances. If after school care is provided it may be by an entirely separate external provider that the school has no control over.
The issue with resuming after school care is that it can only be done if bubbles are mixed and it may be difficult to find staff who are happy to take a greater level of risk for what will be low paid work.

[SandieCheeks]

@MazDazzle

@ SandieCheeks it was the childminder development office that told her blended placements currently aren’t allowed.

The government has said they are allowed though, so while the council might give guidance I don't think they can ban it.

[RedToothBrush]

As it stands its groups covered by the National Youth Agency that were given the go ahead to resume meeting in England on the 6th July. This covers Scouts and some similar types of youth organisations.

I'm just reading up on it because I thought I was going barking mad reading this thread about no wraparound care but cross year bubbles at scouts involving the same children being absoluetely fine.

But nope, theres nothing in it that says its a problem. Just that:

Organisers should divide young people into fixed bubbles, with a maximum of 15 people per bubble per session.
• The above-mentioned headcount includes workers/leaders.
• Bubbles should not join with other bubbles. Individuals should remain in the bubble they are allocated for that day.
• As the risk of transmission is lower outdoors, activities should take place outdoors as often as possible and when it is safe to do so.

So basically on premises wraparound care seems screwed but if you take the kids off the school groups into the building next door you could mix up years as long as they are in a bubble of 15 for that session and day!

Source:
nya.org.uk/guidance/

[MazDazzle]

We’re in Scotland. Things seem to be a bit stricter here.

[CherryTreesandSeaswimming]

Having the same problem, DDs dad only sees her EOW no weekday contact so I have no-one to pick her up. But I can't afford to give up work, can't wfh. My mum usually helps me plus a few nights in ASC but they're not allowing external ASC providers (which I use) or childminders into school for collection for the foreseeable and the school are not taking any new DC in their ASC and their provision is massively decreased too.

I have no idea how I'm going to keep a roof over mine and DDs head.

[CherryTreesandSeaswimming]

Should add they're not allowing anyone who doesn't live with the child to pick up, so my mum can;t even help plus she works too so could only help one or two nights.

[Sailingblue]

So as far as I can tell, I won’t have wrap around care because of the stupid bubbles but it’s totally fine over the last few months to have has 4 different providers of care for my 4 year old. The poor thing will be going from pillar to post. Nursery shut, found an alternative term time only pre-school With space . Then 5 weeks of summer camp and then I’ve booked a week at a different camp. Then annual leave to cover the stupid staggered starts where she’ll be out having fun on her days off and then in school every other day. She’ll be staring back at swimming, gymnastics and ballet. But she can’t go to wrap around care because she can’t mix with other children out of reception. It’s bonkers!

[Hercwasonaroll]

@CherryTreesandSeaswimming

Push back on this. Nowhere does it say someone else can't pick them up. I'd send someone else and watch them try and say no. What schools come up with these ridiculous rules?!

[CherryTreesandSeaswimming]

[quote Hercwasonaroll]@CherryTreesandSeaswimming

Push back on this. Nowhere does it say someone else can't pick them up. I'd send someone else and watch them try and say no. What schools come up with these ridiculous rules?![/quote]
I have sent my mum and they refused to let DD out of the classroom until I got there.

[lyralalala]

@tisaginthing

Our headteacher told us today that wraparound care will resume, but that the children will be kept in their bubbles.
If the two people who run the clubs manage to keep the children in their bubbles, it'll be nothing short of a miracle. No idea how that will happen.
Any adult can pick up a child, so not just the same person every day, but only one adult can come to collect a child at a time.

It can be done if you have the space.

I had a plan for our summer holiday club at least for the key worker parents. We would have hired 2 other spaces in the school (we've done that loads of times before). We'd have had 5 bubbles of 12-15 each with 2 or 3 staff. We'd also have had 2 staff not in the bubbles as emergency back up. We're quite lucky that because we are staffed by volunteers (all professional, trained staff and we're fully registered and inspected) we have a really decent staff ratio.

September would have been awkward as we'd have had to not run for the two outlying small schools, but we could have covered the big school. If we'd been allowed to hire more school space. Or the community centre on the school site. It was achieveable, but we're been told we're not allowed to hire extra space and may actually lose a space we pay for because the school may need it.

Whilst at the same time being told it would be helpful if we'd run

[PumbaasCucumbas]

It Happened to us too (out of school club run from private nursery attached to school - our toddler goes here, They are not running Osc in September now, after initially saying they would open). I do understand why the nursery want to protect themselves from being shut down if the school bubbles lockdown, but I am very stressed.

I Feel like I’m pushing my luck with my boss and already haemorrhaged all of mine and DH holiday covering Summer childcare and missed work hours in the afternoons/evenings, I’m already working every Saturday to make some of the hours.

It’s just very frustrating when the government are giving people money off a weeknight dinner out, having drinkers falling all over each other outside pubs and paying businesses a grand to have people back off furlough, but can’t do more to help with this childcare crisis for thousands of families.

[LaurieMarlow]

but can’t do more to help with this childcare crisis for thousands of families

They couldn’t give a flying fuck, is why.

It’s so far down their list of priorities.

If mothers have to give up careers and/or children are plunged into poverty, that isn’t something that bothers them in the slightest.

[Hercwasonaroll]

@CherryTreesandSeaswimming
That's appalling. Have you spoken to governors? I'd have phoned the police and said they were refusing to release your child but I'm a bit of a dick! Who are these insane heads?!