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I've had an anonymous text about my tenant

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ChristinaRussell · 04/07/2020 16:40

Some background as it gives weight to the claims in the text:
A young couple have been renting a house from me for nearly a year (it's my only rental property and I'm kind of an accidental landlady). A couple of weeks ago the woman contacted me wanting her partner's name taken off the lease as they had split up and she really didn't like his behaviour - drinking too much, being argumentative, not paying his share etc. The rent has always been paid (on time) from her account and she has a steady job. They're currently both still living there but he is going to move out and she will renew the lease solely under her name as she really likes the house and wants to stay.

Anyway, this afternoon I receive an unsigned text complaining about the man's behaviour - he was seen urinating against the wall of the house, and he and his friends were allegedly being very rowdy and unpleasant. I don't like receiving anonymous messages on my personal number so I challenged them as to who they were but they refuse to say, just that they 'think I should know what's going on'. My suspicion is that it's the NDNs who we've never really got on with; not sure how they'd have my number but it's possible I gave them it years ago when we first bought the house. That's a side issue though. Had I not had the conversation with the female tenant earlier I probably would have dismissed it, but it does all fit. I've asked her (female tenant) for her partner's phone number so that I can berate him directly, and she's sent it. And now I don't know what to write to him! It pisses me off that he's abusing my property in this way but then again he's leaving in a couple of months anyway. And as a landlady I can't police his verbal or moral behaviour, can I?
(By the way, I haven't completely disregarded the thought that it might be the FT texting me anonymously from another phone in the hope that I'll evict him before the lease is up. She was pretty quick to respond and give me his phone number).
Should I say/do something? And if so, what?

OP posts:
lyralalala · 04/07/2020 17:17

I wouldn't get involved.

If he's drunk, lairy, not paying his way, and knows she's ending the relationship then he could be getting worse.

WhySoSexist · 04/07/2020 17:17

I've messaged you

ChristinaRussell · 04/07/2020 17:20

If it's her then it's weird, because it doesn't achieve anything that simply telling me about it wouldn't do. And she's already done that and I offered to do various things re the lease. As far as I'm concerned, the rent is paid regularly, the house seems fine... her personal life is for her to sort out, frankly.

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safariboot · 04/07/2020 17:20

My 2 pence, investigate first. Someone could be telling lies to stir up trouble.

Justaboy · 04/07/2020 17:21

Humm .. sounds like this is one of the other occasional posters who are falling out with theri partner! i bet she may be a MN poster anyway!

Well if the woman can afford the rent then that may wellbe the way to go I always think better the tenants you know to some extent!.

If he wants to go before the lease is up then fine, or a new lease when the old one expires in her name only then fine also.

RedCatBlueCat · 04/07/2020 17:26

Can you start a whatsapp chat (dont send) with the anonymous number, and see if a photo or details come up?

Atadaddicted · 04/07/2020 17:29

You’re renewing with the female?

Personally I’d want to end the arrangement completely

WhySoSexist · 04/07/2020 17:29

@RedCatBlueCat This is the kind of evil genius that we would only experience once in a lifetime. This has genuinely changed my life.

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Needmoresleep · 04/07/2020 17:30

The lease was for a year and it runs out at the end of September. I will give them both notice a month before and draw up a new lease with only her name on it.

Join the NRLA straight away and speak to their landlord helpline.

Lockdown rules are that you need to give THREE months notice to end this contract.

There are masses of red flags here. This is the time to seek advice, and then do things by the book. If things do go pear shaped you do not want to be hampered by not having the right paperwork trail.

gamerchick · 04/07/2020 17:31

I wouldn't get involved but I may consider getting rid of both of them

CharityDingle · 04/07/2020 17:32

As others have said, make sure you have all the legalities in order in relation to notice.

In relation to your dilemma, I wouldn't get involved on the basis of an anonymous message.

ChristinaRussell · 04/07/2020 17:36

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ChristinaRussell · 04/07/2020 17:36

@RedCatBlueCat

Can you start a whatsapp chat (dont send) with the anonymous number, and see if a photo or details come up?
My god, this is brilliant! I will do that now...
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skeemee · 04/07/2020 17:37

@RedCatBlueCat

Can you start a whatsapp chat (dont send) with the anonymous number, and see if a photo or details come up?
I was just going to suggest that!
Zogtastic · 04/07/2020 17:37

If only FT has told you he’s planning to leave in September, then you can’t be sure that’s true. I agree you likely need some professional help here.

suggestionsplease1 · 04/07/2020 17:40

I don't know the situation where you live but in Scotland landlords can be held accountable for a tenant's antisocial behaviour and are expected to try to address it.

However, you have absolutely no proof or evidence on this especially as the text is anonymous, so you are not in a position to 'berate' anyone.

I would thank the person who texted for letting me know and that I would keep an eye on the situation. If I was going to text the man (and I don't know that I would at this stage) it would be along the lines of 'unfortunately I've had a report of antisocial behaviour outside the property, if you know of anything happening please let me know so I can contact the police and get any issues sorted quickly' That way you are not accusing anyone of anything but at the same time letting them know you have received communication about something.

ChristinaRussell · 04/07/2020 17:41

It's not one of my contacts so nothing comes up...

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RB68 · 04/07/2020 17:42

Personally I would give her a call and straight out ask her (off the record) if she would like to terminate the lease early? If you can get them both to agree to this it will seem like you are doing them a favour and then just giver her the lease in her name but make her sign 12 months rather than 6.

Haffdonga · 04/07/2020 17:42

Personally I would send the MT a text to cover your back with a little bit of evidence of bad behaviour just in case he is a twat about moving out when the time comes (especially when he learns his exgf is staying).

Of course with it being anonymous you can't corroborate and there's no proof it was even him but you can send a general warning that the terms of the tenancy include whatever clause about not being a dick. Just a
Dear Mr X I have received a complaint that there has been loud and unacceptable behaviour at ABC address on 123 date and you were seen urinating bla bla bla. I would like to remind you that the terms of the tenancy include clause 12.c. peaceful enjoyment bla bla bla and will not hesitate to take further action if the terms of the lease are broken.

Or something.

ChristinaRussell · 04/07/2020 17:44

@TARSCOUT

The lease was for a year and it runs out at the end of September. I will give them both notice a month before and draw up a new lease with only her name on it. Just checking you know there are proper forms etc you need to serve notice with, how deposit needs to be held etc?
The deposit is held with the Deposit Protection Service - is that what you meant? I think she paid it anyway.

I also did a tenant check before agreeing the lease.

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PheasantPlucker1 · 04/07/2020 17:45

Add the number to your contacts, you can list the name as ??

I think Id ignore rather than confront him though, you cant really acheive anything by confronting him.

WhySoSexist · 04/07/2020 17:45

@Haffdonga I would really really recommend not doing this. Whilst it would seem like a really sensible thing to do. If FT has sent this text then it will massively encourage her to involve OP more and more and use her as a pawn. It could cause real issues down the line if there's a dispute and it looks like OP is all buddy-buddy with FT and unfairly targeting MT.

jessstan2 · 04/07/2020 17:46

If he is moving out before too long, is there any point in doing anything? You don't have proof that he was urinating outside. From what you've learned it sounds probable but that isn't evidence.

Berating the man might not be a good idea, he could come round to your house to berate you. In any case, he is likely to deny it.

Anonymous texts, like anonymous letters, are nothing to go on. In your position I'd leave it unless something else crops up before he is gone.

Good luck.

AstridAv · 04/07/2020 17:48

I would be willing to bet that the message came from FT, otherwise why would they want to remain anonymous.

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