To think they may as well say "don't send children with additional needs back in September"

[drspouse]

The current plan is:
All in bubbles of 30
All in the classroom together
All facing the front (WTF has that got to do with virus protection)
No use of shared spaces except at your rota time and after it's been bleached.
Teachers at the front, 2m away
AND focus on behaviour.

My DS has an EHCP and needs a space to escape to when the classroom gets too much. He's often been using a work space outside the classroom. We just looked round a lovely mainstream primary that has a behaviour base and a nurture base. Oh and a library and an ICT suite that children can access at lunchtime.
His previous school had very little space and the corridor was the library etc.

So how are schools supposed to cater for children who need time out of the classroom to prevent meltdown?
This includes children who are having a hard time at home, can't cope with playground noise etc. Not just those who have a diagnosis of SEN.

And children like my DD who have small group teaching outside the classroom most days - you can't do that with 2m separation and all facing the front even if you can disinfect the break out area.

So I'm guessing nobody really wants a child like my DS in their child's classroom if he's not allowed to go out to his calm down area when he needs to?

Well, I guess I knew the government didn't really want to deal with inconvenient children who don't fit their mould, but this confirms it.

I really feel for teachers, yet another impossible task.

Why is it a perfect comparison to insist say a vegetarian child eats halal food?
Vegetarian children do eat halal food, all the time. All vegetarian food is halal.

No all vegetarian food isn’t halal. Halal is like kosher in that it refers to more than just meat - food practises matter too.

@BankofNook - Exactly!

I stand corrected. My DCs' Muslim friends always just ask if things are vegetarian. Would be interested to know what vegetarian food ISN'T halal? Especially for party-throwing purposes.

However in a school where food served is halal, all non-meat-containing food is vegetarian, so there will be a halal-meat-containing menu and a halal-vegetarian-menu. So the vegetarian children will be eating halal food.

(for the pedantic: I know some cheese isn't vegetarian, and I'm counting that as meat-containing, and I'm counting fish as meat too).

@DobbinTheFool interesting - watching/listening as I catch up on paperwork!

I just wanted to say from reading your posts over the last couple of years @drspouse your ds is lucky to have you backing his corner.

Vanilla extract / soy sauce isn’t always halal (contains alcohol in liquid form) - generally any food with an alcohol content higher than keffir (approx 1%) is usually frowned upon.

Vegetarian food related to other non-Islamic religious festivals isn’t halal.

Nutmeg and poppy seeds are classed as intoxicants in many Islamic traditions so not halal.

Thanks Grumpy - good to know.

Do you try hard to be so ignorant and ableist @SpanishTapas or does it come naturally to you?

Or heads should be given the support to ensure they can properly support all pupils.

Ds can be volatile, it’s part and parcel of his disabilities. However with the right support (in his a case very good 1-1 and a plan to allow for the staff to identify quickly triggers and calm the situation before it escalates (sensory break to a safe place in the school) the chances of any issues are very slim thankfully.

Refusing to face the very real practical facts is not helping anyone, and calling people ignorant and ableist doesn't bring anything to the debate.

Do you expect head teachers to just ignore possible issues now?

To be frank, I think DC who have the potential to endanger the safety of either staff or pupils cannot and should not be in school in September.

Yes, how dare disabled children mix with the normie children. Fuck them and their right to an education.

So imo parents and teachers will not accept sharing a classroom with children who have the potential to try to deliberately infect people or not take proper precautions.

Have you met any children lately? In general, very few of them are very good at consistent handwashing without prompting which is in part why sick bugs spread so quickly in schools. They're also not great at staying distanced from one another which is why headlice spread so quickly. And judging from what I've seen locally the latest "game" amongst teen boys is to deliberately cough on one another and then run away yelling "CORONA!".

So should there be no children in the classroom based on your bizarro-logic?

Of course proper provision should be put in place for these DC at home

Provision should be put in place for these children at school.

Refusing to face the very real practical facts is not helping anyone, and calling people ignorant and ableist doesn't bring anything to the debate.

It does when they're being ignorant and ableist as such things should always be robustly challenged.

It's not ableist to say that we cannot have a different standard of behaviour atm for SEN and non SEN students

Yes it is as it discriminates against those children in the grounds if their disability.

It is discriminatory to deny a child the support measures they need in order to be able to attend school and places them at a direct disadvantage to their peers.

A student is either a danger to staff and pupils or they are not.

Wrong again and again it comes down to having the correct support in place. Behaviour is communication and an unsupported student acting in a way that endangers others is communicating a need, fulfil that need and put the right measures in place and the danger diminishes.

And how fucking offensive is it that there are people out there who seem to think that children with disabilities and/or SEN are like ticking timebombs?

Ds is in school.

In his class (bubble or what ever you want to call it) none of the children are socially distancing they are playing together, touching each other etc. I've seen this with my own eyes, they are ok to do this in their bubbles so how would my SEN child or any other child with SEN endanger others in these circumstances?

And for the comment regarding deliberately infecting, deliberately is done intentionally / on purpose neither of which my son understands so he wouldn't 'deliberately' be infecting anybody!

And what’s really sad is many of these people have children themselves and teach their own children to be as judgemental and horrible.

Obviously out and sight out of mind is better for some people even now.

Yes, how dare disabled children mix with the normie children. Fuck them and their right to an education.

who said that? Horrible word btw, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Again, you are missing the fact that entire year groups are denied any education!

I can't see my don lasting long in the school environment if no one can hold his fucking hand he zones out regularly will not answer to his name the only way they can key him in is by touching him shouldn't he have the right to an education

And shouldn't I have the right to work and provide for them? People are hardly going to pay me to stay home

What's a horrible word? Normie? Why? DS uses it all the time, when people ask what his superpower is (because all disabled children get one, didn't you know...?) he replies that he can fly but he doesn't do it in public because it upsets the normies.

And it was said in response to a poster stating that children who are a potential danger, implying children with disabilities and/or SEN, should not be allowed into school in September. Essentially saying that children with disabilities and/or SEN should not be mixing with the "normal" children.