To ask if female lives matter as much as male?

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"According to the most recent official figures from India, there were some 40,000 reported rapes across the country.

Activists claim that the number is just the tip of the iceberg as many victims are terrified to report the crime due to the threat from the attackers and the stigma attached to the sexual assaults." www.thesun.co.uk/news/11953705/girl-gang-rapists-bruned-death/ [Not my spelling]. This article is about a 14 yr old.

The BLM demonstrations have brought massive injustices to the forefront, and will hopefully bring about real change. Anybody who's seen that image of the white American policeman pressing his knee onto a black person's neck, whilst so casually keeping his hands in his pockets, will probably not forget it.

However, it's likely that many females have suffered sexual/physical abuse and it's kept quiet, not reported, seen as part of being a female; wherever they live. Perhaps this is the start of a movement that can offer up equality for all.

No - BLM is a movement, lead by black people, to bring police brutality and racial discrimination to the fore and to demand change. It is not to be co-opted, diverged or diluted by other groups’ issues no matter how important they may be. This is their platform - everyone else needs to stay off it.

The main thing that needs to be done is that you have to make people informed. You have to be able to give them the facts before they can form an opinion.

Blm is not a new thing. However the awful video of him spread around the world has evoked feelings in most people I'd imagine.

Of course female lives matter as much as males. There's atrocious things going on in the world to children , women AND men right this second.

We can't fix the whole world in a minute, unfortunately it takes time

It,s not either or, racism exists sexism exists and both need fighting. Don,t let one over shadow the other.

No. Women being second to men isn't going to change. As necessary as a world without racism is this BLM surge is part of a very long story. Social change happens so slowly and can easily take backwards steps. Equality does not suit those in charge.

Of course female lives matter as much as males. There's atrocious things going on in the world to children , women AND men right this second

Totally missing the point, in an "ALL lives matter" style

Every night of the week I can take my pick of TV showing films/drama in which women have been abused, raped, murdered, frequently a combination of all of it. This is mainstream entertainment. In home entertainment. Ho ho. Not to mention what can be sought for on the net. No, female lives don't matter as much as male lives. Never have and probably never will.

What are the statistics that show women are at an increased risk of police brutality than men?

Female lives don't matter as much as male lives. This, is reflected in the rape culture, DV, maintenance, everyday sexism, street harassment lack of legislation etc etc.

I often wondered about the asylum claims of homosexual men, when if the women also don't conform, they are murdered, yet women aren't granted asylum from radical Muslim countries based on sex.

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No BLM is a movement, lead by black people, to bring police brutality and racial discrimination to the fore and to demand change. It is not to be co-opted, diverged or diluted by other groups’ issues no matter how important they may be. This is their platform - everyone else needs to stay off it
Whilst I understand where you are coming from, I wonder how people would respond to other groups and movements such as feminism making such statements. I think it's vital we do recognise intersectionality and the nuance this creates. I would be deeply ashamed as a feminist if our movement ignored related issues around race etc as it was thought it would "dilute" or "diverge" the movement.

Female lives don’t matter as much as male lives.
Just within the last few days;
Three men murdered in a park, a nationwide minute’s silence held for them including in Parliament.

Two women murdered in a park, police take ‘inappropriate’ photographs of them.

There is an absolutely enormous body of evidence that male lives (and male bodies) matter more than female lives (and bodies).

Everything from routine design choices that prioritise the safety and comfort of male bodies (sometimes to the extent of increasing the danger to female bodies), through the depressing statistics that show women’s medical issues are not taken as seriously as men’s and take much longer to resolve, to the even more depressing attitudes to women who have experienced male violence.

It takes a considerable amount of cognitive dissonance to deny any of this.

And there’s plenty of evidence that indicates that the lives and bodies of BAME women are placed even further down the pile.

Women are routinely ignored when reporting DV or stalking. So many police campaign posters about rape and domestic violence put the responsibility on women and/or their friends. Statistics for a conviction with regard to VAWG is horrifically low. The reporting process would break the strongest of people. Not to mention the strangulation gone wrong defense.

They may not have their knees on our necks but their hands are firmly over our mouths.

Considering it's overwhelmingly men who go off to war and die, and take on the most dangerous civilian jobs I'd say that societies generally value female LIVES more than male ones. Whether they value female FREEDOMS as much as male ones is a very different thing.

But fighting for female freedoms and blm are not mutually exclusive. Societal equality is not a zero-sum game, indeed, attention on one social injustice is only going to help by making people think more about social injustice generally.

I often wondered about the asylum claims of homosexual men, when if the women also don't conform, they are murdered, yet women aren't granted asylum from radical Muslim countries based on sex.

Women can be (and are) granted asylum based on their sex.

Bluebird3456, statistically in the same numbers? It's near impossible for most women to leave the country, or even the house, so they're never going to be comparable.

Of course 5hey do, but it requires more than grumpy posts in MN. What are you to do educate people and u don't mean women in FB, about this? What are you doing to affect change?

Ponoka7, in terms of percentage of applicants, roughly yes. You're absolutely right that the vast majority of UK asylum seekers are male though.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/immigration-statistics-year-ending-september-2019/how-many-people-do-we-grant-asylum-or-protection-to

www.asylumineurope.org/reports/country/united-kingdom/statistics

In some ways yes, in others no.

100 years ago (just before women even had the vote) women and children were given priority on Titanic lifeboats.

Yanbu at all.
Men are still considered as the default human.

I support the BLM movement (in my head, I'm in a remote rural backwater where no marches etc are happening), but I've always, even way before blm, thought, yes racism is bad, but women are 50% of the world's population, surely we must matter more? Not very well articulated, and I suppose the slights against us might tend to be less bad than those meted out to people of colour, but then there are more of us! The metoo movement was tiny in comparison to blm.

Hahahahah! Women are valued more! WTAF! The careers we choose are not valued, the work we do is not valued, our place in society is not valued! BLM want to defund the police and build youth centres to ‘eradicate crime’. How about a curfew for men of all races. That should decrease crime rates by about 95%. Femicide is a thing. Hate crime against women is a thing. It’s just we are not valued enough For society to do anything about it other than tell us to dress appropriately and not go dangerous places alone such as parks and taxis and streets and our own houses .

Oh, and don’t get me started on medical research being skewed towards men and the fact viagra is actually very helpful for women with heavy painful periods but we don’t use it because women suffering is natural and men’s dicks going floppy is a massive problem that we must combat immediately. Just look at how many births are badly handled resulting in PTSD (or as society knows it ‘baby blues’)

The definition of rape in India isn’t the same as the UK. It often includes pedophilia but excludes marital / prostitute rape / sexual assault / molestation. According to various women’s groups in India almost all Indian women would have been raped or molested in their life time. Similar stats to South Korea where nearly 70% of schoolgirls reported being raped / molested.

When a black man was suffocated to death there were global riots. When a woman is suffocated to death it’s called sex gone wrong and the man that did it to get gets away with sympathy. What do you think?

I've been saying pretty much the same thing this past week and everyone has looked at me like I'm mad. It's heartbreaking that we will probably never be 'equal'.