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To not understand why some people dont eat meat free meals

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reducingfootprint · 21/06/2020 19:37

I do not call myself vegetarian but i eat meat rarely for health reasons (bowel cancer is common in the family) but i am happy to prepare it as my dh eats meat but enjoys meat free meals around 4 times a week. DC also eat meat free around 4 times a week. My siblings and their partners are also part time vegetarians and pre covid we all enjoyed getting together for meat free feasts.

When DM comes over, she refuses to eat anything without meat. Butternut squash soup? Needs bacon.
Halloumi fajitas? Needs beef.
Goats cheese and onion omelette? Needs chicken.
Plowmans salad? Needs ham.

AIBU to think ffs one meal without meat wont kill you!

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SchrodingersImmigrant · 22/06/2020 08:28

Ah. Xposted

Zaphodsotherhead · 22/06/2020 08:36

@amusedtodeath1

Your DM is being unreasonable. Most people would consider it rude not to even try a meal prepared for you.

However I don't think that's the only reason you posted this. I think you wanted to start a debate so you could convert/condemn people who eat meat.

There are many vegetable fats that are unhealthy, there's been a lot of talk recently about studies finding animal fats are not responsible for high cholesterol. It's early days yet though. Studies also show that homogenised vegetable fats may be a problem. All the years we've been told butter is bad and margarine is good may well have been wrong.

As a PP pointed out, not all land is suitable for growing crops and animals fertilize the ground they graze on. If everyone stopped eating meat today there would be famine. We cannot produce enough calories from crops alone to feed everyone.

If you were to preach to me about raising animal welfare standards I'd be all ears.Smile

I don't think we've ever really been told that butter is bad and marge is good, outside the advertising industry.

I went to Agricultural College in 1979 to study dairying. Our very first lecture was on the contents of margarine. In those days it was made by taking fish oils, denaturing them so they no longer smelled or tasted of fish, and then adding flavourings and colourings to make them look like butter.

By the end of our first week, none of us would touch margerine. I've always eaten butter. Anything manufactured quite as thoroughly as marge was, was never going to be good for us!

Manufacturing methods may have changed since, but I still prefer butter - which is mostly cream and salt, to anything that needs a 'contents' label that covers half the packet.

SadSisters · 22/06/2020 08:39

I still dont believe you can be an animal lover and eat them, sorry!

I completely agree with this, but I think most people are able to sustain an incredibly powerful cognitive dissonance that makes them believe otherwise. They think that because they love their pets and some wildlife, and wouldn’t themselves ever be actively cruel to an animal, they love animals. And they either don’t think about the pain and suffering caused to farm animals (and the wild animals whose habitats are destroyed for grazing ground or crops to feed cattle), or they think those things don’t matter because they form an arbitrary mental distinction between domestic animals and farm animals and believe the latter don’t experience pain / fear / stress etc.

Iwonder08 · 22/06/2020 08:44

FFS, if you don't want to eat meat don't eat it, want to eat meat once a week it is your business. If your mum wants to eat meat 3 times a day she should be able to do it without your judgement. How often does she have meals in your house? Unless you feed her 3 times a week and/or strict vegetarian yourself then indulging her/any guest with her preferred food won't kill you

nobodysdaughter · 22/06/2020 08:45

For me it is VERY weird to expect a different part of a dead animal with every meal, like why does that make it suddenly acceptable?

Orangelover · 22/06/2020 08:50

I'm a self confessed carnivore - absolutely love meat and fish and prefer all my meals with some meaty aspect but have started to do a meat free day at least once a week. On that night OH moans like crazy and I'll be honest neither of us really enjoy the meal we just eat it because it's there.

I've made veggie curry, veggie chilli, sausage and mash with Linda McCartney sausages, cauliflower steaks (they went down like a lead balloon), no beef burgers (again not exactly devoured). I've followed a few nice recipes that all sounded great. I find when cooking veggie I have to compensate so hard with flavours/seasoning to make it tasty. I also think it's a texture thing for me? I like a good chew on some meat instead of butternut squash, pulses and chickpeas rolling round my mouth. Everything just seems a bit... stodgy when it's veggie.

However it's healthy and good for the plannet so I continue. Happy to reduce my meat intake and maybe buy it more sustainably but never actually become vegetarian. To me it would be one great pleasure in life lost Blush

kikisparks · 22/06/2020 08:52

@Mrsmorton that’s not true about meat being more environmentally friendly:

“Grass fed” animals:

www.fcrn.org.uk/sites/default/files/project-files/fcrn_gnc_report.pdf

“But at an aggregate level the emissions generated by these grazing systems still outweigh the removals and even assuming improvements in productivity, they simply cannot supply us with all the animal protein we currently eat. They are even less able to provide us with the quantities of meat and milk that our growing and increasingly more affluent population apparently wants to consume. Significant expansion in overall numbers would cause catastrophic land use change and other environmental damage. This is especially the case if one adopts a very ‘pure’ definition of a grazing system, the sort that grazing advocates tend to portray, where livestock are reared year-round on grass that is not fertilised with mineral fertilisers, receiving no additional nutritional supplementation, and at stocking densities that support environmental goals.”

Buying local:
pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/es702969f

“buying local” could achieve, at maximum, around a 4−5% reduction in GHG emissions due to large sources of both CO2 and non-CO2 emissions in the production of food. Shifting less than 1 day per week’s (i.e., 1/7 of total calories) consumption of red meat and/or dairy to other protein sources or a vegetable-based diet could have the same climate impact as buying all household food from local providers.”

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/10/181023110627.htm

“A new study provides a more comprehensive accounting of the greenhouse gas emissions from EU diets. It shows that meat and dairy products are responsible for the lion's share of greenhouse emissions from the EU diet.”

“The study found that meat and dairy account for more than 75% of the impact from EU diets. That's because meat and dairy production causes not only direct emissions from animal production, but also contributes to deforestation from cropland expansion for feed, which is often produced outside of the EU.”

“"People tend to think that consuming locally will be the solution to climate change, but it turns out that the type of product we eat is much more important for the overall impact," says IIASA researcher Hugo Valin, a study coauthor and Sandström's YSSP advisor. "Europeans are culturally attached to meat and dairy product consumption.”

science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/987

“Today, and probably into the future, dietary change can deliver environmental benefits on a scale not achievable by producers. Moving from current diets to a diet that excludes animal products (table S13) (35) has transformative potential, reducing food’s land use by 3.1 (2.8 to 3.3) billion ha (a 76% reduction), including a 19% reduction in arable land; food’s GHG emissions by 6.6 (5.5 to 7.4) billion metric tons of CO2eq (a 49% reduction); acidification by 50% (45 to 54%); eutrophication by 49% (37 to 56%); and scarcity-weighted freshwater withdrawals by 19% (−5 to 32%) for a 2010 reference year.”

citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.511.7351&rep=rep1&type=pdf

“Much of the estimated 35% of global greenhouse-gas emissions deriving from agriculture and land use35 comes from livestock production. Livestock production—including deforestation for grazing land and soy-feed production, soil carbon loss in grazing lands, the energy used in growing feed-grains and in processing and transporting grains and meat, nitrous oxide releases from the use of nitrogenous fertilisers, and gases from animal manure (especially methane) and enteric fermentation44—accounts for about 18% of global greenhouse-gas emissions (figure 2).42 This estimate consists of around 9% of global emissions of carbon dioxide, plus 35–40% of methane emissions and 65% of nitrous oxide, both of which have much greater near-term warming potential over several ensuing decades than does carbon doxide (although they have shorter half-lives in the atmosphere). Similar estimates exist of the contributions of UK farming, live-stock production, and the food chain overall, to national greenhouse-gas emissions.”

Fluffybutter · 22/06/2020 08:53

Quorn is shit.
I don’t understand why you want meat alternatives if you want a meat free meal .
Makes no sense to me

Ivalueloyaltyaboveallelse · 22/06/2020 08:54

@ Iwonder08 well said. We eat a lot of meat, vegetables and salad in our household. Rarely do we have no meat meals, however we do occasionally have some.

BlueTreeBlue · 22/06/2020 09:00

@Fluffybutter you must not be very clever then if you can’t understand such a basic thing.

SadSisters · 22/06/2020 09:02

Quorn is shit.
I don’t understand why you want meat alternatives if you want a meat free meal
Makes no sense to me

Fair enough if you don’t like quorn, but for people who do (or for other meat alternatives) it can be nice to have something which mimics the taste and texture of meat but doesn’t require an animal to suffer to produce it.

QueenOfPain · 22/06/2020 09:03

People who cannot entertain the possibility of eating a meal without any meat in it, are of the same mental calibre as those who think it’s gay to touch your own arsehole to wipe it.

Have they never had a bowl of cereal?

Fluffybutter · 22/06/2020 09:05

[quote BlueTreeBlue]@Fluffybutter you must not be very clever then if you can’t understand such a basic thing.[/quote]
Yeah , that must be the case ..

doadeer · 22/06/2020 09:06

I don't get this I'm with you.

I also think salads and soups are far better veggie.

Veggie curries are great too.

SerenDippitty · 22/06/2020 09:08

@SadSisters

Quorn is shit. I don’t understand why you want meat alternatives if you want a meat free meal Makes no sense to me

Fair enough if you don’t like quorn, but for people who do (or for other meat alternatives) it can be nice to have something which mimics the taste and texture of meat but doesn’t require an animal to suffer to produce it.

It’s also a good source of lean protein for people who don’t like meat or fish very much.
SallyWD · 22/06/2020 09:08

I think it's a lot to do with blood type. I've been a vegetarian since I was 20 but even when I ate meat I didn't really like it. I never craved meat. I've always craved vegetables, grains, pulses etc. Then I read that people with blood group A (which I am) are meant to eat lots of vegetables, pulses and grains and will feel better and healthier if they do! It all made sense. I think people with other blood types do crave meat and protein rich food. My sister in law says she feels very weak when she doesn't have meat.

DestinationFkd · 22/06/2020 09:12

Not necessarily @QueenOfPain what someone else chooses to eat is entirely up to them. If they enjoy what they're eating then crack on I say.
In reply to another poster, no I've not eaten a cheese sandwich because I hate cheese.
I also dislike cereal. Horrible stuff.
A couple of my friends are vegan, when we eat together, they have their vegan food and I have my meat stuff. None of us feel the need to pass judgement on each others food choices.

PurpleDaisies · 22/06/2020 09:32

I don’t understand why you want meat alternatives if you want a meat free meal.
Makes no sense to me.

This gets trotted out on every thread like this. Seriously, are you that hard of thinking that you can’t imagine why someone doesn’t want to eat animal products but they like the taste and texture of a burger? Yes, lots aren’t great. None are exactly like meat but plenty are acceptable substitutes for many of us.

VeganCow · 22/06/2020 09:37

I don’t understand why you want meat alternatives if you want a meat free meal .Makes no sense to me

I am vegan, have been for 12 years and was veggie for 20 odd years before that.
I prefer vegetable curries, lentil bolognese/cottage pie, nut cutlet burger on bun, bean chillis etc rather than meat alternatives. Quorn etc are primarily aimed at those thinking of giving up meat and not sure how to do it, it makes it a seamless transition as they just swap out the meat for the plant based equivalent. It also suits fitness types as they can easily portion it and see the protein.

But for taste, you can't beat vegetables, pulses, grains etc and when cooked well they are fantastic.
Having said that I would never preach and if I had guests for say a bbq they are welcome to bring their own stuff if they cook it.

yogz1976 · 22/06/2020 09:46

@Glowcat

Where does one source meaty breakfast cereal?
pet food aisle
SchrodingersImmigrant · 22/06/2020 09:58

pet food aisle

😂 Hair will be shiny after that😂

Ylvamoon · 22/06/2020 10:01

@kikisparks- this is very interesting in regards to the European/ British diet...
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000bl1k
This is definitely a combination we all need to have.

I think for those who are so set on meat & don't like replacements, try cooking food that is not based on meat recipes. Replacement items, they are highly processed and I find them vile. 🤢 I am not sure they are much better for your health or the planet.

Get high quality ingredients like and pulses, they taste much better!

Ylvamoon · 22/06/2020 10:02

Conversation not combination

Fluffybutter · 22/06/2020 10:10

I’m really not looking for people to tell me how great Quorn is , it’s processed shite and if you want to eat it that’s up to you but I still don’t understand some of the militant vegans wanting to eat something with the texture and taste of meat if they’re so against meat .
Argue all you like ,makes no difference to me

PurpleDaisies · 22/06/2020 10:12

I still don’t understand some of the militant vegans wanting to eat something with the texture and taste of meat if they’re so against meat.

It is not the taste or texture of meat they’re against. It’s the killing of animals for food.

Which is pretty much what I wrote in my previous post. It isn’t hard to grasp,

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