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No more free school meal vouchers?

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dottydotterson · 16/06/2020 10:32

What do you think of the governments decision to end the free school meal vouchers for the summer? Do you agree or not?

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Pieceofpurplesky · 16/06/2020 12:11

I think some people miss the point. The fact is that some kids don't get fed at home regardless of FSM/No FSM.

One of the families I know have 6 kids (blended family). The eldest boy used to always get a sandwich as his FSM and only eat half - he used to take half home so the two youngest could share and would have something to eat.

A lot of FSM kids don't eat again until their next free meal. It really is this bad and kudos to Marcus Rashford for raising money and the profile of this.

slipperywhensparticus · 16/06/2020 12:12

universal credit is an in work benefit so the extra money benefits people in work

people who are used to working saving up so they have enough money for the 6 weeks holiday they have been unable to do this so this year it might be more difficult for people who are previously "just making it" through

Ihatemyseleffordoingthis · 16/06/2020 12:14

Its outrageously shit

The furlough period is coming to an end, there will be massive impact in terms of job losses

Kids were going hungry last summer and every holiday. It is a national disgrace that that is allowed to happen.

And pp can f* off with their "too many people get free school meals" baloney, citing one person they claim to know who can afford not to have them. You have to be seriously skint to qualify.

hoodathunkit · 16/06/2020 12:16

Pieceofpurplesky

agree

Also, an important point, but when children are hungry and neglected they are significantly more vulnerabale to abuse and exploitation from predatory adults.

Speaking from personal experience

SonjaMorgan · 16/06/2020 12:16

It looks like the price of food will continue to rise. Brexit is on the horizon. Boris and chums are telling us to get out and spend to get the economy going but app the people I know are cutting back and going without due to uncertainty. At least the rich are getting richer.

99victoria · 16/06/2020 12:18

When I was a school business manager our local foodbank used to contact us around this time of the year to ask for a list of children who were at risk and they would provide lunches for them during the summer holidays. I seriously doubt whether they would be able to provide for the increasing number who will need them this year

nettytree · 16/06/2020 12:21

Caerphilly council deliver 5 frozen meals a week per child instead of vouchers. This will continue over the summer. They also get desserts and fruit added in.

CoronaIsComing · 16/06/2020 12:22

There should be help for children who don’t have enough to eat this summer and every summer but it’s not as simple as just handing over more money to parents.

The fact is that some parents won’t use the money for their children. And some families on UC don’t need anything extra so it needs to be more targeted. I have a family member who’s been posting their takeaways, afternoon tea hampers and ridiculously over priced sweet boxes all over FB. She’s currently getting £45 a week in food vouchers 🤨

The councils need to open buildings and run lunch clubs to make sure that food actually gets into the mouths of those who actually need it.

dreamingbohemian · 16/06/2020 12:23

The government could find the 120 million easily -- by cancelling the so-called Brexit Festival that is still going ahead in 2022. It's funded for 120 million.

But we know what they care about more.

MockneyReject · 16/06/2020 12:23

Some less obvious reasons why I (and other families) are poorer, this summer.

Schools are closed and friends/family unable to provide childcare, due to Covid, but I still have to work, so am using paid childcare, when usually, I wouldn't.

CMS staff are not investigating missed/halted maintenance payments. Many of their staff are currently on loan to UC, handling the deluge of new claims. They are no longer asking for proof that the paying parent's circumstances have changed. My ex's have not. He has stopped paying, anyway, because he can, an he knows there is nothing I can do.

My flat is privately rented. It is a dump, but the landlord was the only one that would rent to me, in leaving DV reduge. The rent exceeds the LHA allowance by £150, so that has to come out of the portion of benefits meant for food/bills/clothing etc.

3ismylot · 16/06/2020 12:25

It is scandalous that the government is stopping the vouchers over the summer, although the vouchers should be sent direct to families rather than expecting the school to hand them over.

Even without the added complication of a global pandemic that has seen many extra families thrown into poverty, 'Holiday Hunger' and 'Summer Learning Loss' are very real public health issues that have been spiralling out of control for years, many charities and playschemes have been stepping in to try and bridge the gap, however, they still struggle to provide enough and this year many will be unlikely to run, which only increases the problem.

Many families also do not qualify for free school meals but are still too poor to afford the proper range of nutritious food needed for children to thrive, the stigma of being identified as being 'poor' also stops some from reaching out for help.

For the last 2 summers, I have volunteered at a charity playscheme that provides a 'pie and play' scheme that gives children and their families access to activities, safe play areas and a hot meal and pudding all for free (food is donated by local farmers, businesses and supermarkets including food destined for landfill but is still edible. The scheme cooks for up to 350 people on any one day and also runs a community pantry that provides extra food to take home (like a food bank but no referral needed and take as much as you need basis).

I am also about to qualify as a nutritionist and will be looking to work in public health nutrition to help fight this from a professional slant.

As usual I can see that people are denying that this kind of poverty exists in the UK however, a simple literature review of Holiday Hunger and Summer Learning Loss will prove otherwise.
Malnutrition is not just about the quantity of food available but also the quality and good quality proteins, carbs and fats cost money, money which many parents simply do not have, especially during the summer holidays.

dancemom · 16/06/2020 12:27

@Ilovemyhairbeingstroked

Everyone is feeling the pinch - they don’t normally get them , so why should they in the holidays
some of the comments on this thread are a disgrace.

We aren't talking about parents who are "feeling the pinch", this is about children going without meals. Big difference!

Welsh and Scottish government both continuing with the vouchers throughout the summer, its only the Westminister government who are withdrawing it.

hoodathunkit · 16/06/2020 12:29

There should be help for children who don’t have enough to eat this summer and every summer but it’s not as simple as just handing over more money to parents.

The fact is that some parents won’t use the money for their children. And some families on UC don’t need anything extra so it needs to be more targeted. I have a family member who’s been posting their takeaways, afternoon tea hampers and ridiculously over priced sweet boxes all over FB. She’s currently getting £45 a week in food vouchers

The councils need to open buildings and run lunch clubs to make sure that food actually gets into the mouths of those who actually need it.

I agree with this

My parents could afford to feed their children, we simply were not a priority for them.

Any initiative needs to ensure that food goes into the mouths of the children themsleves

DuncinToffee · 16/06/2020 12:29

nettytree Wales guarantee ongoing funding

gov.wales/wales-has-become-first-country-uk-guarantee-ongoing-funding-children-continue-receive-free-school

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/06/2020 12:32

surely it is unfair to let children go hungry because of their parents' bad choices?

You're quite right, it is, but isn't there also a question about where the mindset of "someone else should provide it" leads in terms of removing responsibility from parents?
Already, round here, we have schools providing childrens' clothing and taxi fims contracted to take pupils to and from school because their parents won't engage with doing it - are we to roll that out more widely too?

I don't pretend to have any "magic answer" to this, but it seems to me the problem is a deeper one than just providing food, clothing or whatever

DuncinToffee · 16/06/2020 12:33

Everyone is feeling the pinch - they don’t normally get them , so why should they in the holidays

I like Lewis Goodall response to this

Govt has partly defended its schools policy by saying that free school meals aren’t usually provided in summer

True. But (i) people have been saying this is a problem for years. Holiday hunger has been an issue for poor kids long before the crisis (ii) the crisis makes it worse

DomDoesWotHeWants · 16/06/2020 12:34

Many schools will be having work done ready for the September term when classes will be part time. It won't be possible to allow children into the schools while the workmen are doing their thing.

WrongKindOfFace · 16/06/2020 12:36

What kind of person begrudges a hungry child being fed?

WhentheRabbitsWentWild · 16/06/2020 12:39

Cannot forget who asked how they are redeemed but . .

In my case (well, its for my son) I get a email e voucher for Tesco . £15 per week (if they decide to send it) or £30 for two weeks .
Prior to this we were sent a Sainsbury's Gift Card you just took to the till This was stopped for some reason and replaced by Tesco and the e voucher.

Inniu · 16/06/2020 12:40

I am stunning that feeding children living in poverty is something that needs to be debated and that the government is against it.

TheFairyCaravan · 16/06/2020 12:41

This thread is a disgrace.

We've got a 22yo man who is more in tune and more empathetic towards child poverty than women and parents. A lot of people with the "don't have kids if you can't afford them" attitude are going to regret it quite soon once the recession hits and they start losing their jobs. I bet they won't begrudge free school meals and food vouchers in the holidays then.

TooLittleTooLate80 · 16/06/2020 12:41

@Ilovemyhairbeingstroked

Everyone is feeling the pinch - they don’t normally get them , so why should they in the holidays
Beacuse everyone is feeling the pinch maybe?
TheFairyCaravan · 16/06/2020 12:42

@WrongKindOfFace

What kind of person begrudges a hungry child being fed?
Cunts. That's who. And there's a lot of them on here.
FromMarch2020 · 16/06/2020 12:45

I totally agree "some of the comments on this thread are a disgrace.
We aren't talking about parents who are "feeling the pinch", this is about children going without meals. Big difference!"

I worked with vulnerable children for many years. It is not the children's fault.

I imagine the posters with the disgusting attitudes come from a position of being perfectly able to provide and have no idea how some families scrap by. Dreadful. Some people have no idea of what the world is like for some children whilst sitting in their little perfect bubble and making throwaway comments as seen on this thread today.

Branbleberries · 16/06/2020 12:46

so, where would be the best place to donate to in order to help hungry children in the summer? If there's no foodbank collection at your supermarket, say. Donate money to a local foodbank online? Is there a national scheme that would be better?

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