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Why are ASDA normalising paedophilia and Child Abuse?

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Sunkisses · 16/06/2020 08:02

Is it OK for ASDA to send parents emails linking to an organisation that normalises paedophilia with red flag phrases such as "love has no age", and recommending books for children that contain explicit descriptions of child sex abuse? Why are they doing this? Are ASDA experts in home schooling and safeguarding? More details in this excellent thread by Safe Schools Alliance: twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1272638132589035520

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JackiFazaki · 18/06/2020 19:08

It's the erasure of the evidence over the last few days that also angers me.
Gaslighting.
The minimising of concerns.
Thank goodness people have screen shots.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/06/2020 19:08

Like, what has pensioners being in love got to do with kids, why is that an important message?

Yes. I smell bullshit. Good way to insert that specific phrase though, if you wanted to for some other reason!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/06/2020 19:12

The dice game is appalling. No breasts, no nipples, no clitoris. Just holes and things to put in them.

I didn't think of it in that way at the time but yes Angry it reminds me of the Teen Vogue anal sex guide which was directed at "people with a prostate" and "people without a prostate" and had a diagram for each, and completely left out the clitoris of the prostate lacking one.

SerenityNowwwww · 18/06/2020 19:15

@JackiFazaki

It's the erasure of the evidence over the last few days that also angers me. Gaslighting. The minimising of concerns. Thank goodness people have screen shots.
Erasure if evidence - nah, there is no such thing as ‘lost for ever’. I’m sure their lawyers have told them that (and I bet they didn’t see this before it was produced).
Enderthedragon · 18/06/2020 19:22

And why a dice game that talks about inserting things in the anus, when that's completely illegal for most of the children it's targeting?

They should be talking about boundaries, how girls can say no, and boys, how boys might be influenced by online porn, anal prolapse, how it's not intrinsically enjoyable for a girl, etc.

Not, let's see how many objects we can think of to shove up your arse, under age child.

THIS!!!

Binterested · 18/06/2020 19:26

I wrote to my MP about the Proud Trust dice game three weeks ago. Silence. I wrote to her in February about women’s single sex spaces. Silence. Time for a chasing email ?

SerenityNowwwww · 18/06/2020 19:29

‘She’? Mine is a female Labour one. She is very silent on woman’s issues - apart from gushing over Sadiq Khan (who thinks that twaw and that’s the nearest he gets to saying anything pro woman).

SerenityNowwwww · 18/06/2020 19:33

Oh - what we need to tell our children is this.

Sex facts - the nitty gritty
Consent and the law
Social media - photoshop and people talking crap
The media - pushing things that aren’t true

And

How to scream ‘I’m a child - you can’t speak to me about sex!!! GROOMER!!!!’ When they are spoken to about sex (unless you have warned them - once tot have seen the lesson plan). As you would with any person who tries to tell your child about sex.

Can you imagine one of these ‘consultants’ trying to wrangle a class of 7 year olds yelling ‘groomer! I’m a child! Groomer! I’m going to find a police officer!’

Datun · 18/06/2020 19:34

How to scream ‘I’m a child - you can’t speak to me about sex!!! GROOMER!!!!’ When they are spoken to about sex (unless you have warned them - once tot have seen the lesson plan). As you would with any person who tries to tell your child about sex.

This ^

SerenityNowwwww · 18/06/2020 19:35

Heh heh heh.

Binterested · 18/06/2020 19:44

Female Tory. I don’t suppose she’s woke but she hasn’t bothered to respond to either communication from me so I’m not expecting a Baroness Nicholson style exocet from her.

macaronilemonpony · 18/06/2020 19:58

‘It's the erasure of the evidence over the last few days that also angers me.
Gaslighting.’

Now ASDA is gaslighting you??😅😅

Melroses · 18/06/2020 20:38

It's the erasure of the evidence over the last few days that also angers me

You have to wonder at an organisation, wishing to provide SRE material (a senstitive subject) to schools and deliver it in classrooms from headteachers down to children, hitting a bit of a snag where their material is shown not to be up to standard, then battening down the hatches and doing a quick bit of deletion of the awkward bits on the sly, and pretending nothing happened. Nothing to see here.

The lack of openness and honesty is a red flag in itself.

JackiFazaki · 18/06/2020 21:06

macaronilemonpony

Staying with the thread, just for the giggles.

doublehalo · 18/06/2020 21:09

It must get lonely, under the bridge.

flirtygirl · 18/06/2020 21:24

I didn't realise that about the NSPCC wording as I have never looked. I had wrongly assumed that an organisation like them had got it right. I will no longer make such assumptions.

It is so worrying. Is it only abuse if the child is frightened and worried?

ChickenonaMug
I find this definition of sexual abuse taught to children to be harmful and dangerous.
Not only does it mean that a child may not realise that sexual abuse is happening to her (or him) as she has never felt frightened by the abuse due to grooming but also the definition has the potential to make an abused child feel ashamed that she did not react to the sexual abuse with the expected fear or worry. It risks a child concluding that either her abuser is right and and she wanted the abuse to happen and that she liked and consented to it.
Alternatively it risks the abused child feeling that she is stupid or abnormal as clearly other children would have recognised the abuse enough to have responded appropriately with fear or worry. A child who feels ashamed is much less likely to disclose what is happening to herself. It is a very harmful definition to give children and it is a definition which predators can use to their advantage.

Thats exactly as I felt as a child. Why was the stuff done to me sexual abuse when at the time it did not frighten or worry me? Why did that part of the definition need to be there?

Of course some children will use this to rationalise and not get help when they could. I've been that child. When sat in a police station in a special kids room and having a lady take notes on what you say. The questions she asked were similar about being afraid, hurt, upset, frightened?
I did not disclose the abuse, my older sister did. That's how I ended up in that room with a police lady aged 10.

But them saying does it make you feel frightened and worried is not the point. It may not do so at the time but my goodness, it makes me wake in a cold sweat now or I can't sleep because I'm scared now. Just because I didn't always see it as abuse then and just because it did not always make me frightened and worried and upset all the time then, does not mean that it was not child sex abuse. At the time my abusers temper, my sad older sister and the beatings my toddler sister got from him worried and frightened me far more than what he did to me.

I was 13 when I allowed myself to think about it properly and I sunk into my first depression. My level of denial was so high. I had purposely tried to forget the worse.

As an adult I replayed the same thing again with my abusive husband. I didn't see the red flags. I minimised and lived in a state of fear, obligation and guilt. The exact things I had learnt as a child. I covered for him like I had learnt to do as a child.

Thats why the NSPCC definition is so dangerous. The putting the onus on what the abused child is feeling is ridiculous. My step dad was charming, fun and generous, he was also a serial sexual predator. He did not always frighten and worry me even though he was sexually abusing me.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 18/06/2020 21:41

Really moving words Flirtygirl

It is is for posters like you that we all make such a fuss about these things, despite being poohpood or prude-shamed.

I hope the future brings you peace

Enderthedragon · 18/06/2020 21:51

@flirtygirl

Thank you for sharing that, I'm so sorry that happened to you Flowers And you make really excellent points.

Shockedandbefuddled · 18/06/2020 21:54

Thank you flirtygirl

JackiFazaki · 18/06/2020 21:59

flirtygirl I hope that you are happy and thriving.

flirtygirl · 18/06/2020 22:20

Thank you.

Flowers to all who are survivors of abuse and Flowers to all who continue to fight this creeping and normalisation robbing women and children of rights.

Binterested · 18/06/2020 22:24

Here's an idea, woke corporates, telling us what to think and how to be better and basically thinking its your job to give moral guidance to your customers (looking at you too Body Shop oh, and you too NSPCC).

I have a really good idea for a way to for you to be better. To be more ethical and to promote ethical behaviour:

When you make a huge fucking mistake, through laziness, through ignorance or through lack of judgement, tell everyone you got it wrong and tell everyone you are really, really sorry.

Don't tell your customers they have misinterpreted you. Don't tell them they are homophobic. Don't double down on your mistake.

Just take ownership and apologise. Properly.

When you do that I'll believe you when you say you care about having good values. Until then you are just dishonest, lazy corporates, as we suspected.

endlessginandtonic · 18/06/2020 22:31

I sent a not dissimilar reply to cheese when I got my email about misunderstandings. I was a little too mad when replying and it wasn't as sharp as my first complaint but hopefully it gets the idea across.

This response does not actually address the concerns I raised in my email.

Please can you let me know what support you are offering the young people who will currently be experiencing sexual abuse and whose experiences you as an organisation normalised ?

This is not a matter of misinterpretation.
It is a matter of law that six year old child who is engaging in sexual acts is being sexually abused.
It is vital that the conversation around this abuse isn’t around the enjoyment that a six year old takes from experiencing sexual abuse.
This doesn’t mean that there isn’t a place in post sex abuse therapy to discuss the complex emotional response that can be created by physical responses to abuse but a home learning pack is not that place.

The support of anti bullying issues should never include the acceptance of child sex abuse and home learning packs around child sex abuse are not an idea supported by major charities in this field due to the highly sensitive nature of this work.
I would like a little thought to be given to the impact on a young child who is being abused by adults and older teens reading the information your company endorsed and set out.
It was radically different to the information that charities who work with victims of child sexual abuse would produce and beyond irresponsible.

Please could you consider working with more established organisations who have a clearer understanding of child protection than the one you have chosen.

I do not regard this as a matter of misunderstanding, it is a lack of understanding of child protection issues in relation to child sexual abuse.

I would ask that you put as much energy into supporting those victims as you are currently putting into defending what seems to be a clueless organisation you are supporting.

2fallsagain · 18/06/2020 22:38

Ssauk has written to ASDA and published the letter. The tweet is here, please get sharing, and the letter is on our website

twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1273721762400931848?s=20u

https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2020/06/18/a-letter-to-asda-regarding-their-home-learning-packs/amp/?twitterr_impression=true

2fallsagain · 18/06/2020 22:39

Oh bugger that went wrong.

twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1273721762400931848?s=20

Letter linked from that tweet.