Why are ASDA normalising paedophilia and Child Abuse?

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Is it OK for ASDA to send parents emails linking to an organisation that normalises paedophilia with red flag phrases such as "love has no age", and recommending books for children that contain explicit descriptions of child sex abuse? Why are they doing this? Are ASDA experts in home schooling and safeguarding? More details in this excellent thread by Safe Schools Alliance: twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1272638132589035520

Not meant to sound patronising! But as you’re a frequenter of FWR I’m sure you know all about the tactics some use...

We owe it to our kids to scrutinise this stuff as sure as hell no one else is doing it!

No paedophile is going to march up to a parent and say "Let me have your child."
They groom, gradually and carefully, over a long period of time.
This is what some people choose to ignore in favour of collecting woke points.

The other thing the woke brigade keep doing is claiming people are linking LGBT people with being abusers instead of realising the blindingly obvious that nobody is saying LGBT people are predators, what they are saying is predators look for loopholes and ways to gain access to victims. Right now the minority are using the rainbow flag to push their agenda.

The church was an access point for abusers because a situation was created where people weren't challenged and clergy had access to children. Right now a loud minority of the LGBT lobby seem awfully focused on shutting down safeguarding discussions and increasing access to women and children. It seems reasonable to question why any group would want to be beyond question.

Asking who benefits from loopholes, reduction in safeguarding standards, and being in a special group that's beyond question is a fairly basic safeguarding question.

The bottom line (every pun intended) is that Asda has absolutely no business getting involved in this. I can see they want their brand plastered on things, especially “trendy” things, but it is absolutely not appropriate.

Much more open if something like LoveHoney or Ann Summers sponsored the material. Then the motives would be transparent.

Looking at the clear lack of diversity in the boardroom it would be easy to see this as a smokescreen. Let’s focus on LBTQ so if anyone comes at us about our lack of BAME executives we can point them at our diversity points elsewhere.

Isn't the point that ASDA or DRM, if they are going to prepare materials for parents and schools, should have had someone, somewhere in the process with enough safeguarding training and experience to have lightbulbs exploding when they saw the "love has no age" phrase and say 'No, that has too much history, let's use something else' and to point out the 6 year old's extract was CSA.

Which leaves two scenarios - 1. they saw it and knew exactly what it meant and wanted it there, or 2. They know nothing. Which was it?

This. It's interesting that Asda appeared prepared to just go along with whatever DRM put out there. This is a controversial area. You would think reputationally they would have had the packs checked out by a safeguarding expert.

Looking at the clear lack of diversity in the boardroom it would be easy to see this as a smokescreen. Let’s focus on LBTQ so if anyone comes at us about our lack of BAME executives we can point them at our diversity points elsewhere

Yep. This is why the diversity agenda now belongs to white men - some gay and some straight. Much better to have a nice gay chap as your diversity lead than a black woman. And much better to showcase your diversity credentials by highlighting Pips Bunce in your organisation than to actually have any women.

But Asda would have assumed that ‘they’re the experts’ and do the material would be accurate and age appropriate. That’s where this gets very scary as everyone is assuming that everyone else knows what they’re doing and things are getting missed.

@Binterested

Looking at the clear lack of diversity in the boardroom it would be easy to see this as a smokescreen. Let’s focus on LBTQ so if anyone comes at us about our lack of BAME executives we can point them at our diversity points elsewhere

Yep. This is why the diversity agenda now belongs to white men - some gay and some straight. Much better to have a nice gay chap as your diversity lead than a black woman. And much better to showcase your diversity credentials by highlighting Pips Bunce in your organisation than to actually have any women.

Shit. When you put it like that it’s very very clear isn’t it 🙄

In whose interest is it to gamify sex in the process of education?

This is an incredibly important question I think deserving of its own thread.

I have some provisional hypotheses as to the answers which I am in the process of writing up. It will take me a little while but I may start a thread on exactly this question unless you would like to yourself?

Very clear indeed.

Excellent idea hoodathunkit.

Why do we need to ‘educate’ children on sex? I don’t mean the mechanics and ‘respect your body’? I mean the ‘this is fun!’ and ‘why not try anal?’

I agree. It’s unbelievable.

I am clueless about these things: how does one start a campaign to lift the lid on this? It needs a JK Rowling who doesn’t give a crap. Everyone seems too afraid of appearing a fuddy duddy. I’m sure 99% of parents would be horrified by this Asda pack.

Ah, the Baroness steps forward. She doesn't give two hoots.

Why do we need to ‘educate’ children on sex? I don’t mean the mechanics and ‘respect your body’? I mean the ‘this is fun!’ and ‘why not try anal?’

I agree. Most children will work out sex at their own pace and own time. I don’t understand the “because porn” argument - the prevalence of porn means that children need to learn about boundaries and consent. Not in depth discussions about putting objects in anuses. Funny how there’s no clitoris on the dice either

hoodathunkit

I look forward to reading it and I will no doubt be on it joining in when I see it appear. I can’t see any benefit at all to on one hand teaching about consent and positive consent and then doing any activity that lowers boundaries. Is the aim to make minors feel complicit in their abuse or just teenagers feel like they should be doing these acts because ... well you know it is all in the game so it must be a) safe b) pleasurable so I must be odd because it hurt me badly or c) everyone is doing it so I don’t want to be the last one not to be doing it.

hoodathunkit I look forward to reading and discussing.

I have clear memories of watching Neighbours as a teenager and the scene where Natalie Umbrulia lost her virginity to Brad (I think he was called). I felt as though I too should be losing my virginity, that alone was enough to make me feel like i was inferior somehow.

I cannot imagine how today’s youth must feel when I’m talking pre-internet twenty odd years ago. If people had come to my school with all that info including that bloody dice there is no way I’d have felt empowered to say no to my boyfriend. I’d have felt that if the teacher was saying anal was fine and fun then I should be doing it.

This stuff is so important. We need to be talking to our boys about consent and our girls about the right to say no. Boundaries are sacrosanct.

I'll be on the case later today or tomorrow :)

The day has half disappeared and I must get some outdoor exercise before the rain comes

We have thunder coming apparently (it is sticky hot just now).

Bloody ASDA idiots.

Yep. This is why the diversity agenda now belongs to white men - some gay and some straight. Much better to have a nice gay chap as your diversity lead than a black woman. And much better to showcase your diversity credentials by highlighting Pips Bunce in your organisation than to actually have any women.

And in Scotland the SNP have now decided that a board made up of 100% men constitutes ‘gender equality’ as long as half say ‘I am a woman’ and you are not allowed to ask them to back this statement up in any way.

Most children will work out sex at their own pace and own time. I don’t understand the “because porn” argument - the prevalence of porn means that children need to learn about boundaries and consent. Not in depth discussions about putting objects in anuses. Funny how there’s no clitoris on the dice either

Exactly. I went to a rough school. I knew what anal was at 11. I had seen porn mags before I had ever snogged a boy.
But learning about how to actually have sex, as an older teen, with a boy I loved and who loved me was a lovely, funny, sexy, respectful thing, because all the external sleaze was just adult noise.
It was men in dirty Mac's and pervs ducking into dodgy newsagents for jazz mags.
Even though I had seen some porn when I was still a virgin, it wasn't aimed at me! Nobody ever implied that ordinary girls who were not porn actors should be doing those things, and if some boys tried we felt able to pour scorn on them.
A lot of my friends were pressured into sex (and groomed) anyway, by older men, out in the world, but at least in our own peer group, and within our own schools we felt able to go at our own pace, to protect ourselves.
My own DC have known about the biological aspects of sex since about 5, because they asked where babies come from. Now older we talk about consent, and pressure, and yes, porn, but only in the sense that I make it clear that porn is not what real sex is like, it doesn't always happen with the consent of the actors, and it's a business, first and foremost.
I am open and honest about sex, I'm not a prude at all, and I'm realistic about what kids talk about in the playground, but this material is explicitly sexualising children, and when adults do that it is plainly grooming.

This stuff is so important. We need to be talking to our boys about consent and our girls about the right to say no. Boundaries are sacrosanct.

Boundaries and consent include the ability to say no to taking part in discussions and games such as these. Indeed these games come close to, if not breaking, the law in terms of engaging minors in sexual activities.

I've just had my reply to my email of complaint which I sent to the CEO email's address. They seem to have changed their tone from some of the earlier responses which people shared on this thread yesterday - we now have a 'sincere apology' (whatever that means)...

Dear cheeseismydownfall,

Thank you for your email regarding the home learning packs produced by our charity partner Diversity Role Models.

Diversity Role Models is a charity that works with young people and schools to prevent bullying related to gender and sexuality. The home learning packs are intended to celebrate diversity and help parents to talk to their children about LGBT+ issues.

We recognise that some of the materials in these packs can be interpreted differently than intended and sincerely apologise for the concern this has caused you. I am sorry that, on this occasion, our checks did not spot this before the email was sent. Diversity Role Models have now amended the packs and we will work with them to make sure any future content that we share is clear and not open to misinterpretation.

Regards
Jon