Scottish Govt saying PT home schooling is likely for the full school year

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Scottish Govt is saying that blended learning (part time in school, part time home schooling) is likely to be in place for the full academic year.

Honestly, if I'm trying to juggle work and teaching 2 primary kids this time next year I'm going to have a nervous breakdown.

Funnily enough, UK govt at pains to reassure people that it's safe to start shopping on Monday, if its safe enough to shop, how isn't it safe enough to open schools?

There’s a campaign to get kids back into school full time for all the reasons mentioned in this thread www.usforthem.co.uk

I suspect I'm going to be made redundant in the next few months and having kids at home three days a week will make finding another job almost impossible.

if its safe enough to shop, how isn't it safe enough to open schools?

Perhaps you should ask the teachers and their unions?

Why do you think shops are comparable to schools? There's no similarity. Shops aren't full of DCs who don't wash their hands properly, who often put their hands in their mouths, who won't be wearing any PPE or masks, who often hug their friends. Shops can introduce one way systems that schools can't replicate. Shops don't usually provide toilets ... or lunches ... or space to play.

I am more shocked on the legal requirement to attend school despite anxiety relating to the virus
@Boulshired I didn’t think it was, do you have a link?

Sorry found it, glad I don’t live in Scotland , it has to be optional due to vulnerable children and family members.

Purple that's not a campaign. It's a petition. And unless MNHQ have changed the rules then you need to put it in the petitions' section.

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@TrustTheGeneGenie

Shops will be different, but they will still be usable. The end outcome will be the same. You'll still be able to buy clothes or shoes or whatever.

With schools, offering 10 hours a week for a year, the outcome is not going to be the same. The level of education is not going to be the same.

It's still not going to be operating the same, though, which is the entire point.

Schools can't just open normally with social distancing in place because they just don't have the space. The only way shops can maintain social distancing is by limiting the number of customers in store (so, the same as schools), changing how things work (same as schools) and most businesses will rely on online shopping to prop them up (the same as schools relying on online provision).

In reality it's very similar. If schools had the space to allow them operate full-time with social distancing measures in place, then I'm sure they would do.

There's already a thread on this over on Scotsnet

So why not ask for these to be merged?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/scotsnet/3934381-So-when-are-we-going-back-to-school?watched=1&msgid=97451286#97451286

I am a teacher and I am getting fed up of my union making us all look bad, I honestly think they are wanting to wait for a vaccine before we return.

Just to also point out - I am part time, 4 days a week from September - I am, like most other working people stressed about how the hell I can teach my full hours in school to allow for part time learning whilst also having to juggle my own children. I have not utilised a key worker place as I have been at home and the ages they are I don't think it is the best option for them, they are back tomorrow for a few hours a day but in own year bubbles!

In reality it's very similar

Not really. Shops social distancing hurts nobody.

Schools social distancing will hurt lots of children and their families.

I guess that's ok as long as nobody dies of covid.

I guess that's ok as long as nobody dies of covid
Where do you live Trust? Because if you're in the UK, then lots of people have died of Covid and your facetiousness is in very bad taste.

Definitely a campaign with a Twitter, Facebook, website. I’m sensing it may be a campaign that you don’t like but it’s a campaign all the same

I don’t believe that’s the case actually helpful person - what about key workers, their kids, all the people who are clearly not sticking with the lockdown. Perhaps covid 19 will come back as we open up, maybe not. Experts disagree about this. I wouldn’t object to starting initially at 2 days a week if there was a very clear plan to ramp up attendance aiming for full time by Christmas if no appreciable second wave. If transmission comes back again to a significant extent then yes but there is currently no justification to throw a generation under the bus. Who do you think will care for all those children? People will get grandparents to help, of course they will. Teenagers will see their mates. Maybe not mumsnet teen but in the real world they will and they won’t social distance. If you don’t believe me have a look at any park. That will move inside. It’s not just children who are at risk. Every time I go into work now I see someone harmed by the lockdown, whether it’s surgery and investigations delayed or mental heal deterioration. People die from these things too. The risk/benefit to our reaction to covid is all wrong.

@ATomeOfOnesOwn

I guess that's ok as long as nobody dies of covid Where do you live Trust? Because if you're in the UK, then lots of people have died of Covid and your facetiousness is in very bad taste.

It's not in bad taste is it?

The message from Scotland is that they're prepared to through children and their families under the bus to prevent people dying of covid. The numbers in Scotland right now are tiny.

They are happy to plunge families into poverty, and widen the educational gap massively.

It's a disgrace.

I more and more think that schools not being properly back will keep more women out of work, and that the government know this but don't want to change it. We are in a massive recession, there won't be enough jobs to go around, what better solution than to make it impossible for many women who currently woh to do so?

Agreed

Scottish teacher here and I honestly can’t see it going on for a year. I’m also a parent of one DD sitting Nat5s and one sitting Highers and worried about them being expected to do the courses with 2 days teaching (I know they will be expected to learn at home but it’s not the same).

I think parents are really going to struggle with childcare too. We’ve been told to plan for half the class Mon/Tues half Weds/Thurs but it could all change come August

Please write to your MSP’s everyone if you agree - mine sent me a placatory response saying he would look into but if more people speak up they might consider.
My kids are young and as we both work part time will actually be okay, I suspect most people on here have the resources to support their kids as well, but I am so upset at the effect this will have on young people from deprived backgrounds. They risk being lost to education and never coming back. Their whole lives could be blighted.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

In reality it's very similar

Not really. Shops social distancing hurts nobody.

Schools social distancing will hurt lots of children and their families.

I guess that's ok as long as nobody dies of covid.

Well, shops social distancing will impact business in the long run. Lots of people have already said they won't go to the shops because they can't try things on. In the longterm, if a business doesn't make money (and often online sales are irrelevant when it comes to what the bricks and mortar shops are taking), they'll close and people will lose their jobs.

This is going to impact everyone, not just school children. I know very, very few families who haven't been impacted by this. Whether it's redundancies, losing vast amounts of business, having to WFH and home-school at the same time, mental health issues, not getting the right medical treatment etc.

I don't think anyone is arguing that it's beneficial for children to be in school two days a week (or whatever it ends up being) but the Scotland isn't the only country who is doing this. Part-time and online schooling is happening all over the place.

Things will recover eventually. They always do.

The message from Scotland is that they're prepared to through children and their families under the bus to prevent people dying of covid. The numbers in Scotland right now are tiny.

They are happy to plunge families into poverty, and widen the educational gap massively.

Agree and agree. And I think it's just so NS can say she kept cases lower than BJ did (per 1000 people). And whilst both governments have fucked things up I don't think that we will be redeemed by not educating our children properly for 18 months!

What @Rowanapp said ^ !!!

The message from Scotland is that they're prepared to through children and their families under the bus to prevent people dying of covid. The numbers in Scotland right now are tiny.

They are happy to plunge families into poverty, and widen the educational gap massively.

It's a disgrace.

This. I have one going into S4 this is fucking ridiculous! She has dyslexia and I am not qualified to teach her. I have another he has HFA and ADHD (medicated for this), P7 and I am not qualified to teach him, either.

This is fucking ridiculous!

I am bloody sick of this. There is so much evidence now that children are not at risk from schools, and are not the super spreaders everyone said they were. The damaging effect of this is to children is enormous, and disproportionately enormous to women. I haven't heard one fucking news report about the differential impact on women of this lockdown, other than DV. The governments need to stop being cowardly arseholes and get kids back in school. Problem is, Johnson and Sturgeon (with Scotland having an even worse death rate than England)have messed up their responses so badly they are running scared from making the decisions they need to.