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Is the reason what I think it is?

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MadameBee · 13/06/2020 12:35

For there not being the outrage there was when Rachel Nickell was murdered.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/12/london-sisters-nicole-smallman-bibaa-henry-murdered-stranger-police

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2bazookas · 13/06/2020 14:23

. I was horrified that the police took 4 or 5 days before they announced that these poor women had been stabbed? It's an awful crime and I couldn't understand why it took so long before this was announced.

Because its a criminal investigation; in major cases in the public eye, police always try to keep as many details as possible under wraps for as long as possible . Not least to help eliminate time-waster attention-seekers making fake "confessions".

Laiste · 13/06/2020 14:32

I remember the Nickell case being on the news. It was horrific. These sisters being stabbed is also horrific.

The Nickell case was 1992. Social media wasn't a thing (i don't think i had my first mobile phone yet despite having turned 20) and you were fed what you were fed on the news and in the papers and that was that. Her little boy was found crying over her torn up body. That was awful and hard to hear and it's what the papers 'went with'. There was also a rumor i vaguely remember that Rachel was famous for being in a memorable TV advert (don't know if this is actually true) and so it was another talking point. Add to this we weren't in the middle of a pandemic, with several social and economic crisis' raging at once.

If you were old enough to recall this case at the time it occurred OP i think you'd already understand all this though.

ChibiTotoro · 13/06/2020 15:01

YABU. There is so much going on in the world right now it's difficult to keep up.
I was pretty shocked watching the BBC news last night that the murder of these women warranted just a couple of sentences and came after an article about a black couple who were stop checked by the police for looking suspicious. I am questioning the priorities of media outlets.
Nicole Smallman and Bibaa Henry were murdered by a stranger and the police are appealing for help, so this should be getting more attention than it is.
I don't believe the lack of media coverage is as a result of racial bias though. Someone was murdered in my county this week, but if you didn't look in the local newspaper you probably wouldn't realise. Unfortunately murders happen more regularly than you would like to think, some the press pick up on others pass by unnoticed by most.

Devlesko · 13/06/2020 15:13

Unfortunately MM has been used as a government tactic for a long time, usually as a diversion tactic, the same as these protests and riots.
I'm more worried about what is happening for gov to use all this diversion.

capricorn12 · 13/06/2020 15:21

Its terrible and tragic as is the case of Emily Jones www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52756094 which has also not caused the uproar you would normally expect.
I think as previous posters have said, times have changed since Rachel Nickell and Josie Russell and violent crime seems a lot more commonplace (it possibly isn't but we hear about it more) and both of those cases were in broad daylight and involved children. As Emily was a pretty blonde white 7 year old, stabbed to death in public, I can only conclude that the lack of outrage is not to do with racism but with the press having other things that interest them more .

Ormally · 13/06/2020 15:22

Unfortunately, my initial thought was that if current circumstances had allowed a birthday party in someone's garden rather than the confusion over numbers, distances and public areas, this might have been a bit of a safer option - so there's that knot of issues in the frame too, maybe. But I see your point.

Nearlyalmost50 · 13/06/2020 15:28

This is a truly awful, horrifying case, and I think you are right that somehow it has got overlooked, although lots of posters have indicated what they think the 'somehow' is, which is race.

mungrymutt · 13/06/2020 15:29

@capricorn12 I was also surprised that Emily's case didn't have more coverage as it's absolutely shocking.

FAQs · 13/06/2020 16:18

The Met have been reporting it, the newspapers have either been slow to pick it up or it didn’t in their minds warrant enough attention as the protests etc news.met.police.uk/news/update-murder-investigation-in-wembley-404357

Zoomintheroom · 13/06/2020 16:24

As PP's have said it's because of the pandemic- nothing to do with colour or race. There was very little coverage about white, blonde seven year old Emily Jones stabbed to death by a stranger on Mother's Day.

dworky · 13/06/2020 16:43

Yes, you're absolutely right.

namesnames · 13/06/2020 16:49

There was outrage, just no SM

MadameBee · 13/06/2020 18:43

Yes but they immediately arrested someone for Emily’s murder? The person who did this is still at large?

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Beatingthisthing · 13/06/2020 18:47

Nicole Smallman and Bibaa Henry were stabbed to death in a park in the early hours of the morning. Fucking terrifying and of course people are fucking outraged.

Rachel Nickell was seriously sexually assaulted and savagely murdered (almost decapitated) in a park in broad daylight in front of her 2 year old son who was found clinging to her dead body saying 'get up Mummy'.

The recent murder of these 2 women is horrendous but had it been in daylight and in front of one of their children, you 100% know it would be 'bigger' news.

Pretty disgusting of you to use the horror of Rachel Nickells murder and the trauma suffered by her child to try and make an ill-conceived point about racism.

TerrapinStation · 13/06/2020 18:52

@Zoomintheroom

As PP's have said it's because of the pandemic- nothing to do with colour or race. There was very little coverage about white, blonde seven year old Emily Jones stabbed to death by a stranger on Mother's Day.
I've seen the murder of the two sisters on the news several time but this is the first time I've heard of Emily Jones

So much going on at the moment and such strange times.

Initially I'd assumed the sisters were possibly killed by someone at the party and that was maybe why it wasn't bigger news but I think things may have moved on since.

Beatingthisthing · 13/06/2020 19:05

FFS OP they immediately arrested someone for Emily Jones murder because it was a mentally ill woman who'd murdered Emily in front of witnesses and was STILL at the scene.

Before using horrific murders to try and make a point, at least read up about them and have some understanding.

SusieOwl4 · 13/06/2020 19:11

I knew about the case - but some of the circumstances have been slow to actually come out - the brief circumstances have been reported but perhaps there is a reason for that ? Perhaps the police are still trying to get information from the public?

Plus all the protests and riots have snatched the headlines at the moment . I don't think its any more sinister than that.

CallmeAngelina · 13/06/2020 19:18

I saw this story and was appalled. But not seen much in the news about it at all.

Beatingthisthing · 13/06/2020 19:22

@Capricorn12 No, the murder of Lin and Megan Russel and attempted murder of Josie Russel was 'bigger' news because the Police had no idea who the perpetrator was.

Emily Jones was tragically murdered by a mentally ill woman who murdered her in front of witnesses and was arrested at the scene. It's nothing to do with CV or other news.

Of course 'murderer of Mother and child/ren on the loose, no idea who it may be' is 'bigger' news than 'girl tragically murdered, we know who did it, she's mentally ill and in custody'.

Both cause public outrage and sadness. One causes public fear that a murderer is still out there, will they kill again? Could it be someone I know? It's too dangerous for a family to walk in rural areas now? etc.

Emily Jones murder is awful but the public are reassured it was a tragic one off and the danger is now in custody.

OhWhatFuckeryIsThisNow · 13/06/2020 19:25

Where’s the outrage for every single woman and girl murdered, either during the pandemic or any other time?

GnomeOrMistAndIceGuy · 13/06/2020 19:26

Yabu for writing a cowardly OP instead of coming out with what you really want to say.

FiveFootTwoEyesOfBlue · 13/06/2020 19:31

I don't think it's because of their race. If a black man was injured by a police officer in the UK this month it would be on all the front pages. It's because they're female, and sadly, women being murdered is too common to be remarkable. How many women or girls were murdered in the year to last March?
241

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51491021

It's an awful horrible story. What put it in the media at all is that the police are saying the sisters were killed by someone 'not known to them' - unlike most women victims who are killed by someone they know, often partner or ex.

FAQs · 13/06/2020 19:35

@FiveFootTwoEyesOfBlue raises a good point, add in around 19 woman and children killed in domestic violence since lock down.

FAQs · 13/06/2020 19:36

@Beatingthisthing well said.

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