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Fallon12 · 11/06/2020 18:57

Hi looking foropinions and advice please.

I would like to be less upset by my mil and keep things positive as dh and I are trying to improve our marriage.

Mil and I got on okay before dh and I had children. I found her a bit overbearing but we were fine in social situations and could have a decent conversation. We would sometimes exchange messages.

Eldest child was born a few years ago. Long difficult birth and recovery. Mil and fil came to stay for a couple of weeks after dh went back to work. Dh job takes him away for a few weeks at a time. I invited pils to stay as I was unwell postpartum and thought they'd be useful support. As they live overseas, by the time they arrived I was much better and so apologised when they arrived that they had cut short their holiday as I was better now.

During their visit, mil did many things which upset me. For example:

  • baby fussing at breast is normal behaviour, mil would glare at me and at my breasts and made various comments... " do you have enough milk?" " what's wrong with the baby?".. she did this so many times. If I left the room for privacy, she would follow me and continue making comments
-she continually wanted to hold my baby, fil said several times, "Whose baby is it dear?"
  • when I took my baby back she would glare at me or look moody
  • if she heard baby stir during night, she would knock on door and want to do changing etc. Was not needed and I found it so intrusive. Dh was still away, I explained to him how I felt, he said just tell mil she won't mind. I told mil thank you but it's not necessary to help me in nights, she responded "ok, whatever"
  • when she and fil were due to go back home, mil told my dm that she thought I "wouldn't cope" looking after my baby, my dm recounted this to me which made me feel furious

During my eldest's first year, any time ils visited, mil would want to take my baby. If baby said "mama", mil would make a "nuwnuw" noise even though it was clear she said mama. Once i walked into the room, baby said mama and tried to crawl to me, mil blocked her way with her arm then glared at me. Dh missed all this.

This contributed to issues in my marriage that year as dh thought mil was oblivious and well meaning and didn't initially believe my account of mil behaviour.

I never confronted mil but just tried to assert my boundaries, I'll take her back now and taking baby back. However as soon as dd back in my arms, mil would clap her hands and open her arms to take dd back. I hated their visits as she acted like dd was hers. I was nice to dh about these issues, I told dh I thought it was because dd was effectively their first gc, mil is from a Mediterranean country where extended family are v involved, mil also has some emotional issues and i think this impacted. All in all, I avoided conflict, tried to be respectful and I think did not make my boundaries clear and suffered for it. Dh offered to talk to her, I said no. He eventually made one small comment and mil backed off a bit.

Every time ils visit, ils make little criticisms of dh and our home, dh seems not to jotice. Mil always seems to view our home as a project, nothing is ever good enough, eg she rearranges everything, cupboards, suggests where things can be moved, suggests cleaning products, tells me how to get stains out etc.. We do not live in a hovel and I have lived away from home for over 15 years so do not need mothering. I once asked her if she did her dsils laundry and rearranged her house during visits, she replied "oh no, her house is pristine" which I found offensive. Both pils have also given good help, I don't mind uf they ask if we need help it's more the suggestings things or just rearranging which I find rude.

Mil also pushed wife work on me which I rejected. For example, dh has a huge family. If someone from my side of family sends gift or card for children, I thank them, dh is supposed to do same for his enormous family but don't think he remembers to. She appears to have stopped now, but mil used to ask me, not dh, if x y z had been sent a thank you card etc, until I asked " have you asked dh?". Mil used to ask me what to buy children for Christmas, so I asked her to ask dh. She doesn't appear to do these things now.

When we had second child last year, ils came to visit with dhs siblings. Mil seemed to be less obsessed this time round. I decided to invite ils to stay while dh was away. I took mil to toddler groups etc, was polite, kind. I even asked if theyd like to stay longer, they stayed far longer than I had anticipated but I felt unable to say no. Mil gradually got more possessive of my new baby. As soon as we were awake she was outside my bedroom door, 530/6am arms open to take my baby. Ignoring my toddler to a large extent, obssesed with baby. A member of my family commented to me that mil seemed "strangely obssesed" and was glaring at toddler and ignoring her. Mil made bizarre comments, baby cried and mil told baby "i wish i had milk for you, i wish i could feed you". My baby missed feeds as mil held her so much and questioned me if i wanted to take her back, "why, are you going to feed her?" I said no i just want to hold her, shes my baby then mil would glare or look moody. I actually got mastitis as my youngest missed so many feeds. I felt shit the longer my pils stayed. Eventually I asked mil to give me some space and she and fil left that morning, refused lift to station etc, made it dramatic. I told dh all this, there is even more of same incidents. Dh offered to approach her but I said no. He had previously told her i found she undermined me and she was apparently horrified... dh seems to believe me but says he only has my side of it. I think shes also made rude comments about me to my toddler who has come out with never heard before things directly after ils visits... mummys got a big bum, we are never coming here again, etc etc

The issue i have now is that mil is messaging me on social media weekly and I really do not want to be in contact. Dh agrees pils should not stay again without him there. I want to delete mil from my social media but imagine it will cause a row. Im tempted to tell her my thoughts but unsure how to word it.

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ArnoJambonsBike · 11/06/2020 19:04

Just delete/block. Its not worth the hassle. I've just blocked a couple.of relatives who's opinions I dont need in my life. Let him deal with her and you concentrate on your nuclear family.

SisyphusAndTheRockOfUntidiness · 11/06/2020 19:29

I was going to write a long reply but deleted it. Basically, I sympathise. Been there. Definitely get your DH to deal with all communication. No visits at all unless he's there. My MIL did (does) the whole possessiveness, ignoring me unless DH was around, etc, etc too. We only have 1 child, largely down to her behaviour.

Spied · 11/06/2020 19:38

I do empathise to a certain extent BUT it seems you are happy for them to be on-hand when it suits you.

girlwithadragontattoo · 11/06/2020 19:49

I voted YABU, not because of her behaviour as that it over stepping and rude and YANBU, but, your husband has offered to step in many times and talk to them and you said no??? I don't understand that. I also don't understand why you'd invite a bully to stay with you when you knew what she was like previously. In that respect, YABU

JustC · 11/06/2020 19:53

Just one cheek in tongue question. Why did you say No when Dh offered to approach her? She really sounds a bit derranged. And I thought my mum and MIL were too much when my kid was a baby. All the 'advice', and wondering why I'm doing this and why not that. Grrr. You are entirely too nice.

OneForMeToo · 11/06/2020 19:55

Do it I just removed a few in-laws from my social media. They wanted the photos and stuff I share that dh doesn’t but to never talk to me so bye bye.

IwishIhadaMargarita · 11/06/2020 19:56

When she refuses to hand back the baby you have to remind her who you are and who the fuck she is. ‘Give me MY child back!’ It doesn’t matter whether you are going to feed her or not she is your baby and you make the rules and she should be reminded of that.

Waveysnail · 11/06/2020 20:00

So your pil live abroad? How often do you see them really. Surely you can cope with an message a week to mil on how grandkids are doing.

CheshireDing · 11/06/2020 20:10

Why do you keep inviting them and then asking them to stay longer 🤷‍♀️?

As pp said it seemed to suit you to have their help and be on social media and befriend them on there.

Just remove them then delete your account for a month or so, you can do that on fb but then can reactivate if you want to later. Then you can truthfully say ‘ oh I have come off fb’

2bazookas · 11/06/2020 20:15

You're lucky your DH recognises there;s a problem and offers to deal with her. You should let him.

whitevino · 11/06/2020 20:22

You said you got mastitis because baby missed so many feeds but when mil asked if you wanted her back to feed her you said no?

Also it does sound like you like their help, only when you actually want help, any other time they want baby is "overbearing"

They live abroad of course the chance they get to see their DGC they are going to want to be all over them.

You know she is how she is because that's her culture as you said, it'll be hard to change that.

whitevino · 11/06/2020 20:26

It's rude to rearrange your house though, I'd have a problem with that too. DH is willing to speak, let him OP.

Fallon12 · 11/06/2020 20:30

@cheahireding

I asked them to stay longer to be kind, they stayed far longer. I asked them so they would see grandhcildren more. I work tirelessly I have 2 under 2 , i do not need their help or ask for it. I have left out much detail there are more incidents which make me feel mil is not mentally stable

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Fallon12 · 11/06/2020 20:32

@waveysnail

They Re overseas but likely to bmove near us i think. They stay in uk multiple times a year and for weeks on end.

Why should i have to message mil to update on gcs? She can ask dh. My family dont message my dh weekly. I have a large famoly myself and lots of friends. I have 2 under 2... i dont use screens much. I dont wnat to message mil, i dont like how she treats me and when i see her pop up on social media it makes me feel upset and anxious.

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Fallon12 · 11/06/2020 20:34

@whitevino

I dont ask them to helpme. I am perfectly capable. When they stay id prefer they relax and enjoy visiting but they are overbearing and take over.

Mil never offers baby back. I say ill take baby back now, mil questions me endlessly why i wnat my baby back, then when i take baby back she glares and looks sour

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ThatLockdownLyfe · 11/06/2020 20:35

Jesus christ she sounds unhinged.

Culture or not, she's so far out of order she's orbiting the moon.

Fallon12 · 11/06/2020 20:38

Posters who have asked why have i not taken dh up on his offer to talk to mil...

I felt that as things happen when dh is away at work, it feels wrong to involve him but i have found it hard to confront her myself as she is so overbearing. She is differrnt when dh is there to a degree but pushes boundaries horribly when he is away, as he has been for these two visits in particular.

I asked her to come stay more recently as i thought she had changed but she really hadnt.

To be really clear, i dont ask for their help. Im not a user. I dont need help. I have no childcare and manage very well.

I dread them moving nearby and being like this,

Frustratingly, if mil would stop being so possesive and overbearing, she would be good to have around as she is a kind woman to children. Althouh this said she glared so much at my eldest i think as eldest speaks loads and wants me, whereas my baby she tried hard to keep asleep so baby would stay on her not wake and want me

Her behaviour really unnerves me

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Croprotationinthe14thcentury · 11/06/2020 20:47

Stop inviting her for extended stays when your dh isn't around. Be more assertive, when she's being possessive over your baby get tough, so what if she gets upset, she doesn't care if she upsets you.

ttigerlilly · 11/06/2020 20:55

I really feel for you OP. You seem like a very kind person, and I hope you don't mind me saying this, but it sounds as though you find it difficult to assert your boundaries. I don't mean that as a bad thing at all, I also find confrontation very difficult so I can totally empathise as this is something I really struggle with, particularly with the MIL.

I've had a fair amount of issues with my MIL, and I have never ever addressed anything with her as I know she is very lonely and however much she has upset me, I still don't want to upset her as she is on her own. This however does not sound as though it is the case for your MIL.

The comment your MIL made about wishing she had milk would have made me feel so uncomfortable, just reading it made me cringe. As did the fact she ASKED you why you wanted your own child back. That would have made me very upset.

I think you have more than enough reasons to warrant having no contact with her. You're still happy for her to have contact with your children, so going forward I think she should just speak to your OH about arranging any future visits. I think you should always be present so that you can monitor her behaviour, but I don't think you are being unreasonable at all to not want to speak to her. She has been so disrespectful, unkind and invasive and I think you are admirable to have not lost your temper.

Hugs SmileThanks

Marleymoo42 · 11/06/2020 20:56

Been there...

All I can say is mine improved as the dc got older...babies make some women behave in weird ways. Also dcs made it pretty clear they're not ok with grandma undermining me, which was a lovely moment!

I'm a peace keeper so I wouldn't do anything too dramatic which could make relationships difficult but that's just me. Would she get the hint if you send a few short replies back such as, 'yes all great thanks. You?' Or 'I think dh said he would give you a call this week.' Surely shed her bored of asking you?

Fallon12 · 11/06/2020 21:13

I have tried quick replies, not replying, thumbs ups.. she just keeps messaging more. If I delete her i am quite sure she will use fil account or email me so will probably delete them both if they query maybe she will ask my dh.

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Marleymoo42 · 11/06/2020 21:18

I would then ask dh Monday something tactfully and ask him to message her more as well. He could say you're really busy with the kids or work and point out that
she messages more than your own family.

Could the messages (not the past behaviour) be a reaction to lockdown which might go when she feels less isolated.

Marleymoo42 · 11/06/2020 21:19

No idea why it says monday! Should say ' to say!'

Fallon12 · 11/06/2020 21:43

Thank you. I think i will still delete her as i just do not want to be in contact at all. Fine to see her when she visits, but beyond that i dont want to be in touch. Agree poss lockdown related but she has friends and a large family.

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Fallon12 · 11/06/2020 21:46

@2bazookas

Thank you, yes writing this and the repleis has helped me see that dh is more supportive than I had felt. He does say things though like, she is just being helpful, she is just like that, thats her etc. He has suggested i am oversensitive but he finds it hard to stand upto people and i think he would strguggle to raie these things with her, however it was effective when he made a small comment on one occasion and she did back off a bit...though then slipped right back when youngest child arrived.

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