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... to wonder if these pictures are offensive?

159 replies

MrsPeacockInTheLibrary · 09/06/2020 21:55

There were shared by an artist on a Facebook group. I think they seem offensive in some sense - but then I have also been told I am too sensitive and overthink everything. I also wonder if the original intention of the author matters, or the geographical origin of the pictures in relation to what is the style of humour captured.

I am trying to be more aware of when to "get over myself" so I would be interested to see what others think.

YABU - they are not offensive at all
YANBU - I can see what you mean

... to wonder if these pictures are offensive?
OP posts:
TripleLampshade · 10/06/2020 09:23

Is this the new British lockdown pastime? Looking for random things to be offended by?

MrsPeacockInTheLibrary · 10/06/2020 09:26

@Rosehip10

Maybe it was the artist who posted this to get some sales or critic of his work!
Very happy to state I can barely progress beyond poster paints and colouring pencils.
OP posts:
Megatron · 10/06/2020 09:26

@TripleLampshade I think it might be! Grin

RubaiyatOfAnyone · 10/06/2020 09:33

The subject matter isn’t offensive, the actions and fashions were pretty standard for women of that generation.

But, and it’s a big but, without looking up the artist i can tell you ut’s a man, and guess that he doesn’t rate women very highly.

Sexualising where it doesn’t need to be is reductive and demeaning. It would be perfectly possible to draw these as warm hearted memories of that generation, without concentrating on boobs, and doing so gives the impression he doesn’t really care about these women as people, only as things to be looked at.

alongtimeagoandfaraway · 10/06/2020 09:47

First view thought cartoon image of a certain era. Evoked memories of my gran. All good.
Subsequent view - what on earth is going on with the focus on nipples? Completely inappropriate in the context and makes the whole thing sleazy. As others have said, nipples highly unlikely to show through the multiple layers so including them is gratuitous and creepy.

TwentyViginti · 10/06/2020 09:52

@merryhouse

she's warming her arse up against the fire
I remember my friend's mum having mottled 'corned beef' legs from being too near the fire, back in the 60s!
ThePlantsitter · 10/06/2020 09:59

Horrible sexualised images with a fixation on stockings and nipply tits. Just look at the man in the grey suit for comparison.

People saying it's what people would have looked like have internalised the idea of women as sexual objects.

CanofCant · 10/06/2020 10:05

Ot RTFT yet but I'm part of the same group OP! YANBU, I have been biting my tongue for so long, I'm glad you agree. Wtf? There is so much fawning over these pictures in the group, I can't believe no one has objected to the constant and ridiculous over sized breasts and erect nipples.

Anyway, off to read the thread but I'm glad someone else agrees with me!

Moonmelodies · 10/06/2020 10:05

Should we be concerned the 'artwork' fails to include any black people?

Shedbuilder · 10/06/2020 10:11

Indeed, the Plantsitter. Reminds me of the affection that the old stereotyped Tart With a Heart has always been held in by men. Women see a desperate woman doing what she can, in the best way she knows, to survive. Men have a rosy-tinted idea of a sexy fallen angel whom they can have sexual fantasies about and feel nostalgic about without feeling dirty. They deny the material and physical realties of her reality.

Love the pix of Bette Lynch — and yes, the woman working in the pit canteen would have been much more likely to have a proud up-do like that and have some cleavage on display than be standing there with her bra showing. Showing your bra in the 1950s was a no-no, partly because Playtex cross-your-heart was so ugly.

Rosehip10 · 10/06/2020 10:21

Regarding pit canteens, my granddad was a colliery manger (later, when the industry was in decline) and I remember having a surface tour and breakfast in the canteen - judging from the violent reaction when miners didn't clear a table or wipe up a spill I don't think any rude comments would have be tolerated! From what I remember the women wore those school dinner lady type checked tunic/apron things!

Even late in the industry the only women in the pit complex, were in the canteen, a nurse in the medical centre and his secretary (a lady in her 50s, who probably knew more about what has happening in the place than him)

IVFNewbie · 10/06/2020 10:24

Lots of talent there. I don't find them offensive.

hipposarerad · 10/06/2020 10:34

I'm a bit offended by how crap they are. The main female character looks like the artist usually illustrates the covers for fantasy novels - where a woman wearing some ashtray nipple pasties (replete with embossed areolas) and a pair of fur knickers is apparently in full warrior's armour Hmm

pinktaxi · 10/06/2020 10:38

Not very nice, and I wouldn't buy them, but not offensive.

Some people do tend to be professional offendees 🤣

ThePlantsitter · 10/06/2020 10:51

As far as being professional offendees goes, I'm not offended by the picture per se.. What offends me is the accepted standard that women's bodies (and entire existence in fact) are purely for the sexual gratification of men.

Every time this belief is expressed in a mainstream form it offends me. And it particularly offends me when it's claiming to represent perfectly ordinary reality.

So in fact it's only the one thing that offends me is just that it happens a lot.

Shedbuilder · 10/06/2020 11:01

I wouldn't want to be in a group with this artist. Having seen what he draws I'd be watching him to see if he was looking at my breasts all the time. And waiting for a series of Shedbuilder images to appear of me with my jeans around my arse and a nipple escaping from my t-shirt as I hammer the cladding onto my shed.

Do people actually pay money for his work?

PinkiOcelot · 10/06/2020 13:19

Offensive to who?

Blibbyblobby · 10/06/2020 13:22

He says: this is a series I have created of Pinnie Hinnies, which tries and recaptures my memories of growing up as a child in the small mining village of Pegswood in Northumberland.

Knew it would be a “he”. It’s a woman drawn from outside by someone who doesn’t know what it feels like to have a female body.

I find them offensive in that they are yet another small thing adding to a background rumble that cheapens, reduces and coarsens the idea of women in our culture.

Her “little girl” leg positions are particularly barfy.

Suzie6789 · 10/06/2020 13:34

I find then quite unpleasant in a way I can’t put my finger on.... the nipples are unnecessary, and she’s portrayed as dirty... unpleasant arse warming etc.

Karmagoat · 10/06/2020 13:47

Not my taste but not offensive in the slightest. All I see is a depiction of working class life from back in the day. Quite nostalgic really cos I'm common as muck Grin

Pudding51 · 10/06/2020 13:50

Nope not offended, typical memories from my childhood 😁

Thisismytimetoshine · 10/06/2020 13:55

Knew it would be a “he”. It’s a woman drawn from outside by someone who doesn’t know what it feels like to have a female body.
They're cartoons... 🤦‍♀️

kitnkaboodle · 10/06/2020 14:05

Hortible! Those posters who are saying 'but it's just scenes from a bygone era' are looking at the subject matter (fine) but not the style (horrible). It's something to do with her knock-kneed stance, which is a cross between 'ickle girl' and 'overworked carthorse' together with her hair, lips and nipples. She looks like a kind of sex slave 😵😲. I am definitely not a professional offendee but I find this really distasteful. Luckily I also find it very outdated. And I'm talking about the sexy caricature, not the actual scenes depicted

Thisismytimetoshine · 10/06/2020 14:06

Sex slave 😂

GinasWig · 10/06/2020 14:10

I agree, you can tell when stuff were made by men to represent women be it clothes, adverts, art, books.