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To feel emotional at the slave trader statue

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Millicent10 · 07/06/2020 16:58

being pulled down earlier.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52954305

This says so much and the symbolism of throwing it in the river is such a suitable ending. Reminds everyone what happened to so many slaves.

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Jangirl2018 · 07/06/2020 20:14

@Rowantree2020

don’t agree with Milk Tray, but she raises an interesting point about what BAME people want. In order to make progress I think there needs to be clear objectives/demands in the same way that XR have set out for climate change. Otherwise there won’t be any concrete changes

Look at the racism in the comment she made, yet you ask what BAME people want? Perhaps for white people to stop being racist? That may be a good start?

AKissAndASmile · 07/06/2020 20:14

The turnout at the Bristol protest today 😊

twitter.com/bootlegzoot/status/1269648497034383363?s=19

WitchWindows · 07/06/2020 20:17

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ShebaShimmyShake · 07/06/2020 20:17

@Shallwedancetomojito

Destroying Colstons statue and throwing it in the river, will have educated thousands more people about him and the slave trade, than the statue ever managed to, in its 125 years of existence.
Yes. I'd never heard of him before this.
Chiochan · 07/06/2020 20:18

Sixty million people dies during the transatlantic slave trade? really? check your figures.

BilboBercow · 07/06/2020 20:18

I don't understand how it's "erasing history" to pull these statues down.
Germany destroyed every single monument to the third Reich after ww2 but you can hardly accuse them of erasing their history.
The German people are fastidious about making sure they're aware of their history.

kedooo · 07/06/2020 20:19

Should've been pulled down years ago!

Rowantree2020 · 07/06/2020 20:20

Yes Jangirl this is obvious, in the same way that XR want to prevent irreversible adverse climate change and I absolutely want both of these things. I was completely clear that I did not agree with Milk Tray. But bringing about effective change needs clear strategies I.e “we know what we want, how are we going to achieve it”.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 07/06/2020 20:21

Sixty million people dies during the transatlantic slave trade? really? check your figures.

How about you check yours?

www.worldfuturefund.org/Reports/Slavedeathtoll/slaverydeathtoll.html

BankofNook · 07/06/2020 20:21

Not that it makes a difference, but to those saying owned 80 th slaves, No he was onvolved in the trade/ movement of 80th slaves that's not actually the same thing. Not that it matters.

The slaves were owned by him/his company until they were sold to their new owners so, yes, he did own 84,000 slaves over the course of his career. And this isn't counting the slaves bought/sold by SSC with whom he was a major investor.

84000 black slaves were transported & at least 19000 died en route

The 84000 included children as young as six and roughly 1 in 4 children died during the crossing.

it’s impossible for us to comprehend the slave trade, it’s was completely barbaric but was judged against a different back drop where hardship was common place and extreme for 99% of people.

Many groups opposed slavery and campaigned for abolition in the late 17th and early 18th centuries. Notably, the Quakers were opposed to slavery and Colstin gave a lot of money to groups who stood against the Quakers and other minority religious groups different to his own predominantly for this reason. It wasn't until 1783 that the Quakers and other groups began petitioning Parliament but the abhorrence was there long before that and it was a contentious moral subject. There were rulings going back to the 16th century that stated any man who set foot in English soil was a free man and that slavery was against the rights of man. It may have been legal but that doesn't mean that everyone agreed with it.

Cam77 · 07/06/2020 20:23

I wonder what our PM Boris Johnson makes of it all? The former editor of the Spectator, happily publishing articles by the likes of Taki who wrote of black people being of "lower intelligence". The man who uses language like "watermelon smile" and "piccanniny". Purveyor of the tired racist trope of Chinese people being unable to distinguih r and l correctly. And on and on. He's certainly very quiet.

MrsKypp · 07/06/2020 20:23

As I said on another thread, it's disgusting that the statue was still there in 2020.

Good riddance!

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 07/06/2020 20:23

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OrangeCinnamon · 07/06/2020 20:25

It's not just for BAME people to work out how to achieve though is it @rowantree2020?

DdraigGoch · 07/06/2020 20:25

Gaining votes for women for one...
Millicent Fawcett actually felt that the direct action of the WPSU harmed the cause.

Rowantree2020 · 07/06/2020 20:25

Smile, literally what post are you referring to?!

AKissAndASmile · 07/06/2020 20:25

So strange all the outrage at the statue coming down. Priti Patel for one can go fuck herself.

I don't remember even one comment against Saville's statue coming down. Didn't hear even one person say 'well he was a great entertainer and philanthropist. His good outweighed his bad. Wonder why. 🤔

Jangirl2018 · 07/06/2020 20:26

@Rowantree2020

But bringing about effective change needs clear strategies I.e “we know what we want, how are we going to achieve it

So the onus is on the oppressed to devise clear strategies and bring about effective change? So you want BAME people to deconstruct a problem they didn’t create? Sounds about right

Rowantree2020 · 07/06/2020 20:26

No Orange it absolutely has to be collaborative.

MrsKypp · 07/06/2020 20:26

@Cam77

Yes, very quiet indeed.

Boris Johnson is racist, a misogynist and classist. Among other things including a liar, lazy, arrogant etc etc

I just can't imagine why anyone would ever have wanted to vote for him. beyond me, really.

Rowantree2020 · 07/06/2020 20:26

No Jangirl I want us to work together.

greennugget · 07/06/2020 20:26

@CuriousaboutSamphire

It being removed is one thing. Being torn down and thrown into a river is another.

The actions undermine the message.

Not the best way to change your world!

I think the actions more enhance and underline the message.

Seeing that statue thrown in the river was even better than seeing it removed.

backseatcookers · 07/06/2020 20:27

Being upset is understandable, of course they are. But if they let themselves be silenced and don't take action then that is their decision.

Victim Blaming 101, by @pollykettles

If your logic follows then I assume you believe it's up to only women who have been sexually assaulted to lobby for tougher sentencing laws for perpetrators of sexual assaults?

Or do you think it might be an idea for wider society to fight for that to lift up, support and protect the victims rather than blaming them for silence and lack of action?

Your words are appalling and it's worrying you don't seem to understand why they have shocked people into expressing how victim blaming and complicit in immorality your view comes across.

The burden for change isn't just on the oppressed, it isn't just on the oppressors, it is on those who stand by watching the oppression on too.

Your thoughts on this have been shocking and embarrassing in equal measure and I hope you can take a step back and see that.

Chiochan · 07/06/2020 20:27

Whacky website dont count, just sayin...

Cam77 · 07/06/2020 20:29

@1dayatatime
Whilst I don't disagree with removal of a statue of a known slave trader in a city centre in the 21st century, I am curious as to what criminal acts by today's standards and how far back in time we have to go to justify such actions. Should for example the statue of Cromwell outside Parliament be removed for his genocide against the Irish or the Viking Statue in York be removed because of their crimes of rape or even Stonehenge levelled because they used slave labour??

It is an interesting and difficult question. The right thing or the right answer isn't always easy unfortunately.