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Would you send your dc back to school in September if there was no social distancing?

331 replies

wakeupitsabeautifulmorning · 04/06/2020 20:28

I worry about how much longer dc are going to be expected to learn at home considering a lot of them aren't. However, if they're going to have to socially distance I can't really see a way forward.
YABU = No I wouldn't send them without social distancing
YANBU = Yes I would

OP posts:
LaurieMarlow · 04/06/2020 23:15

those of you WFH should be expected to get back to the workplace because your lives are not more important.

I am expected back in my place of work. I can’t wait to get back because the long term viability of the business and my role within it is dependent upon that.

Unfortunately, I’m seriously hampered by the fact that I don’t have childcare.

CrazyVictorian · 04/06/2020 23:15

Yes and how can I effectively get their school to open when they seem so absolutely opposed to it? Write to MP, school, local council? What? I feel quite in despair about their communications.

I will accept half weeks/ half days whatever but mine need to get back and they have a lovely big house, a parent who is mostly available, IT etc etc.

The youngest is going back to nursery part time next week and she was so happy when I told her (3 so understands to an extent).

LaurieMarlow · 04/06/2020 23:17

In most workplaces, workers are being allowed to take some measures to mitigate those risks.

There is no particular evidence that children are spreading the virus.

I presume adults can social distance from each other in schools.

wakeupitsabeautifulmorning · 04/06/2020 23:17

I think there’s got to be a time when the risks to children and staff have to be weighed up with the risks and impact long term home learning/very part time school.

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Bulletwithwings · 04/06/2020 23:19

The risks ARE tiny statistically to most healthy adults and children.

If any child gets covid they stay home, as with norovirus, pox etc.

I'd send mine in with no social distancing.

If a child is shielded or lives with someone who is or have contact with elderly grandparents then it's the parent's call. But it is not fair for the many children to have to social distance / sacrifice their mental and physical wellbeing and education to protect the few.

CallmeAngelina · 04/06/2020 23:24

I'd happily volunteer to help in schools if teachers don't want to be in.

Thanks, but no thanks.

MyHipsDontLieUnfortunately · 04/06/2020 23:24

@LaurieMarlow, will you be able to social distance?

JimmyGrimble · 04/06/2020 23:25

Another vile thread.
Even worse than some of the others - at least on those we’re only being accused of being lazy feckers. Here, apparently we should swallow the risk or resign, if there’s a case in our school on no account should school be shut again and my favourite, people thinking it’s funny that their kids flout social distancing.
Honestly you all seem to hate teachers so much it makes me wonder why you even bother sending your children to be cared for by us.
Jesus. What a load of Ill informed offensive bullshit.

SockYarn · 04/06/2020 23:26

Teachers are exposed to all sorts of bugs all the time - norovirus, flu, general coughs and colds, slapped cheek, scarlet fever, nits, threadworms - all the stuff that is going around all the time.

When there's a huge winter vomiting bug outbreak you don't see the teachers demanding PPE and social distancing in case a child doesn't wash their hands and passes it on. And that's a much stronger possibility.

We get teachers are reluctant to return but tehy are in the fortunate position of not facing their positions becoming redundant. State schools will not close. Teachers will not lose their jobs. Parents who can't return to work because schools aren't open will. In huge numbers.

IvinghoeBeacon · 04/06/2020 23:27

Absolutely yes. My husband is a teacher also

MotheringShites · 04/06/2020 23:28

I would send them tomorrow.

Has there been any real research into how much the virus was spread around schools before lockdown? I mean, they were all at school, full-time without significant social distancing during what was the peak of infection. Surely we should be able to tell if schools really are the hotbed of danger we are led to believe.

LaurieMarlow · 04/06/2020 23:29

will you be able to social distance?

I haven’t been given clarity. I will be exposed to old and frail people though, more dangerous than primary kids.

snappycamper · 04/06/2020 23:36

Yes. I would send them right now.

JimmyGrimble · 04/06/2020 23:36

sock
It’s nothing to do with teachers being reluctant to return. You’re talking pure Daily Mail venomous shite. We aren’t allowed until the government say so.

Imaystillbedrunk · 04/06/2020 23:37

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C33P0 · 04/06/2020 23:41

Yes, in fact I would prefer it to the current setup. I like our school, I really do, but I think they are overinterpreting the guidelines by trying to get reception and Y1 to socially distance. One parent of a reception child was told that he wouldn't be able to attend if he didn't follow the rules.

It's not part of the government guidelines - it is acknowledged that younger children are unlikely to be able to socially distance, and it probably just leads to anxiety if anything. Why can't teachers just socially distance from the children?

MarcelineMissouri · 04/06/2020 23:47

A recent paper from Ireland also concluding that children do not appear to be spreading the virus (yes it is small numbers but does tie in with studies from other countries as well)

www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.21.2000903

coronabeer23 · 04/06/2020 23:58

Absolutely yes, tomorrow preferably

sunrainwind · 05/06/2020 00:04

Yes I would send them back. My yr 1 is successfully and happily socially distancing - but she has a class of 7 with a teacher and a TA which isn't sustainable - I'd prefer for them all to be back in September with no social distancing. I don't mind if they don't distance now. My pre schooler is in a small bubble too and isn't socially distancing.

Greengrapes1357 · 05/06/2020 00:07

Yes I would. I think for mine (and most dc) the psychological effect out weighs the virus risk.

blueshoes · 05/06/2020 00:13

Yes, today. No problemo, no social distancing.

Lancrelady80 · 05/06/2020 01:11

@SockYarn

Teachers are exposed to all sorts of bugs all the time - norovirus, flu, general coughs and colds, slapped cheek, scarlet fever, nits, threadworms - all the stuff that is going around all the time.

When there's a huge winter vomiting bug outbreak you don't see the teachers demanding PPE and social distancing in case a child doesn't wash their hands and passes it on. And that's a much stronger possibility.

We get teachers are reluctant to return but tehy are in the fortunate position of not facing their positions becoming redundant. State schools will not close. Teachers will not lose their jobs. Parents who can't return to work because schools aren't open will. In huge numbers.

You said it yourself, that stuff is going round all the time. Any teacher who has worked a few years has built up resistance to a lot of the normal bugs. This is brand new, noone has any resistance. The possibility of catching it WAS higher...fortunately the R rate dropping has dealt with that. But the possible outcome is more than a course of tablets or a couple of days throwing up.

Nor does the entire country lockdown for weeks for those things. Nor does the country suddenly have 40000 deaths (and that's just the official number) due to those things. Nor do workplaces have to install screens / one way systems/ limit people in and out. Nor do people have to be furloughed or told to work from home.

As we have heard and nauseam, this is "unprecedented" at least in our lifetime. You can't compare it to the usual bugs we face every year. I say it again, 40000 deaths. And yes, most are elderly...but we have all heard of fit and healthy younger people hit hard or killed by it, maybe due to underlying health conditions such as asthma, maybe just unfortunate. Any assessment of risk should weigh up the seriousness of potential outcomes alongside the likelihood, and put in place measures to mitigate those risks.

Btw, I see now face masks are mandatory for public transport. People on a bus/train carriage are not generally cooped up together for 6.5 hours. They are less at risk than a teacher in a small classroom with 30 little people who don't all think/care/know about covering mouths when coughing or sneezing.

If the general public are being told to socially distance, reduce contacts and gradually encouraged to wear masks, how is it ok to say "but not if you work in school?" Try transferring that to any other group of people and there would quite rightly be outrage.

I guess we should be flattered that so many people see school workers as superheroes, invincible, indestructible. (Better hope our families all are too.)

Beawillalwaysbetopdog · 05/06/2020 06:31

@LaurieMarlow

In most workplaces, workers are being allowed to take some measures to mitigate those risks.

There is no particular evidence that children are spreading the virus.

I presume adults can social distance from each other in schools.

Laurie - the reason that there's no evidence is because pretty much everywhere has closed their schools. Those that have reopened them have done so with social distancing.

It's not like the UK is the only country making this decision.

I'm in on a rota at the moment once a week and with social distancing it's relatively safe - apart from fleeting moments I'm never within 2m of anyone. I'm in a closed environment with 3x10 kids for an hour so due to poor ventilation possibly at risk from them. If there's no social distancing I'd be exposed to over 10 times that many kids in a week and that's ignoring the hell that is the corridor in secondary school. You're effectively having a bubble of however many kids and staff are in the school (in my case almost 2000). Are any other mass gatherings of this size allowed?

Even if you don't care at all about the health of the teachers - what about the community spread? That many kids mixing has massive ramifications for the community spread, which is why every country pretty much has closed them.

iquitelikenormalityafterall · 05/06/2020 06:32

We didn't lockdown to save "the individual" though... it was to stop the NHS becoming overwhelmed!!! The risk of that is now low, as is the risk to individuals. So there is no need for PPE in a situation that will be lower risk, by August/ September wherever you are in the UK. The media really do have a lot to answer for. I absolutely get it if you are shielding. But otherwise, this has gone too far.

Alex50 · 05/06/2020 07:06

We should start a petition to make sure all schools are fully open in September. Children are suffering the most from this.

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