To think the lockdown needs to end now?

[Fr0thandBubble]

I could understand a lockdown being imposed for a few weeks to make sure the NHS was up to capacity, but it’s gone well beyond that. The NHS now has lots of excess capacity and yet here we still are.

I am horrified by what has happened to our civil liberties, what it’s doing to our children’s education, what it’s doing to everyone’s livelihoods and mental health, what it’s doing to the economy, how people are not getting life-saving treatment for things like cancer, etc.

I don’t understand why people aren’t given the right to choose to self-isolate if they need to but for the rest of us to be allowed to get on with our lives and to take responsibility for ourselves.

I don’t understand why people who are not old and don’t have underlying health conditions are acting hysterically and why people have decided it’s OK to police other people’s behaviour and shout at them in the street.

I feel like I’m living in some kind of awful dystopian society.

I realise I’m in the minority here but does anyone agree with me?

[Chloemol]

@Fr0thandBubble

I can’t be bothered to read five pages, but yes Sweden didn’t lockdown, and have the highest deaths per population. So if you want more people to catch it and die, then carry on, forget lockdown. But I couldn’t live with myself, knowing I could have killed someone

[borntohula]

@Eckhart I actually stated it was my opinion and it still is...

The facts are, coronavirus still exists and there is no vaccine, lockdown or no lockdown. As PPs have pointed out, I'm pretty sure those who are currently all for lockdown for eternity would change their minds pretty quickly if they suddenly had no income because of it.

[Makirocks23]

I am a mum of a very vulnerable 5 year old, the longer the virus is around and spreading, the longer I have to isolate not only him but also his three year old brother, myself and my husband. Is it fair he was born with his syndrome, is it fair his little brother who loves being outside and exploring is now stuck inside incase he brings it home from nursery?
This pandemic is not fair on anyone but it’s happened, we should have locked down earlier to save lives, It’s horrendous that people have lost their jobs and the economy is suffering but the death toll is also pretty horrendous. In the massive scheme of things 12 weeks is not a long time, the economy will slowly recover but we can’t get back the people that we have lost.
A few more weeks In lockdown and the numbers would have reduced further, I appreciate that I am looking at this from a shielding point of view but I would like to feel secure enough to take my family out at some point in the next few months, this may seem dramatic to some but when you have a child that is highly likely to end up incredibly ill or worse I think I’m entitled to a bit of drama.
A few more weeks at hone could make all the difference to the vulnerable!

[BeltaneBride]

YANBU -I agree with everything you say OP.
The loss of civil liberties is scandalous.

[ItsGoingTibiaK]

@Fr0thandBubble

“I don’t understand...I don’t understand...”

Quite clearly.

[Crafting1Queen]

[Playdonut]

[quote Eckhart]@Playdonut

You are right, but the doom mongers love living in fear so they will find your post very offensive

Have you not watched anybody die from it yet, then?[/quote]
No I have been fortunate not to watch anyone die from covid thank god. The 2 on my road who have died from lockdown are the ones who inspire to protect life by ending this living hell.

[aprilstory]

One of my friend’s brother, who is in his 30s, healthy, with good build etc. had caught the virus back in March. He spent a month in hospital, including a couple of weeks in an ICU. He is still not 100% recovered yet.

You would think you are young and healthy but you never know what this novel virus can do to you. It’s understandable that you are fed up and feel frustrated due to the lockdown but please don’t judge others who are still being cautious by calling them hysterical.

[DomDoesWotHeWants]

but I hope this is soon reduced to 1m or many entire industries will go under

That would be a big mistake.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/01/risk-of-infection-could-double-if-2-metre-rule-reduced-study-finds?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR21VjWL77ZuLJqEqeMNwe_u2VXFjSQ2Na8vUJFEhhV6a13JP2RLOahtvk4#Echobox=1591051712

2 metre rule has to stay and social distancing is a major part of keep it down.

[PawPawNoodle]

@DomDoesWotHeWants
The chance of a child being seriously affected by Coronavirus is significantly less than a child being hit by a car on the way to school.

Evidence? I see it said on here but no one has produced any figures for it. Best ignored

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48 children died as a result of an RTA in 2018, which is consistent with similar years

3 children under 16 have died as a result of Coronavirus

It was very easy to Google.

[Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow]

I agree. I can’t understand any of it. People not receiving cancer screenings/children not educated/the economy and business and jobs and misery.

ONE person died yesterday in Scotland from the virus. ONE.

[Playdonut]

Can any of the lockdown lovers on here explain why only covid deaths are sad. Surely we are allowed to be sad about everyone killed by lockdown??

[ToothFairyNemesis]

I don’t know how New Zealand will ever be able to open their borders without causing an outbreak.
Quarantine and their very effective track and trace system.

[Eckhart]

The 2 on my road who have died from lockdown are the ones who inspire to protect life by ending this living hell

Sorry, what does this mean? You know 2 people who were killed by the lockdown?

[MarginalGain]

[quote Chloemol]@Fr0thandBubble

I can’t be bothered to read five pages, but yes Sweden didn’t lockdown, and have the highest deaths per population. So if you want more people to catch it and die, then carry on, forget lockdown. But I couldn’t live with myself, knowing I could have killed someone[/quote]
There's acceptable levels of death built into every public policy decision that advances society.

Driving a car produces fumes that kill people and causes accidents that kill people. Growing food uses pesticides that kill people. Batteries require cobalt that kill people. Buildings have to be built, people die building them. And so on.

[Playdonut]

Yes eckhart. I know of 2 people who were killed by lockdown.

[Sleepyquest]

I started lockdown really scared about Covid and worried we would all die.

I'm now in the mindset of what the hell is going on? We are in some kind of half lockdown situation. The government have made it clear they don't know what they're doing. Everyone is getting paid to stay at home. I don't know whether I can take my child shopping or not.

I agree that it's about time people started taking responsibility for themselves. If you are on the vulnerable list - stay in. If you are very fit and healthy, do what you need to but take precautions.

[countrygirl99]

Sounds like if dom can't see children suffering they don't matter. Who the hell do you think is going to notice those kids issues if they are stuck at home? Honestly, that is just so self centred. Yet another example of "only covid matters". And yes I do have elderly vulnerable parent s and in-laws and I know this lockdown is causing them to suffer due to non-covid conditions that aren't being seen to which then means they can't get the support they should. But hey ho, it's not covid so a 93yo nearly blind army veteran an 82 yo with dementia and a severely disabled 81 yo and her 82 yo carer with Parkinsons should just suck it up.

[Puzzledandpissedoff]

I am horrified by what has happened to our civil liberties

In that case you'll probably be interested to know the statutory requirement for a review every 21 days has just been changed to every 28 - apparently on the nod with little discussion

As someone pointed out elsewhere, the validity of the legislation ws going to be for 2 years but upon protest was lowered to six months. Anyone care to take bets on whether that too will be altered under the radar?

[AmericanAdventure]

I don’t understand why people who are not old and don’t have underlying health conditions are acting hysterically

My sister is in neither category and almost died from covid-19. She spent almost a week on a ventilator and then another week in a high dependency ward. She got out of hospital 4 weeks ago but still can't walk for any length of time without being utterly exhausted. She is also suffering from PTSD and insomnia because the experience of being ventilated and almost dying was so traumatic.

My friend is a paediatric nurse. She cared for a child who had Kawasaki disease as a result of the covid infection. Again no previous health complaints.

People have reason to be fearful. You have no right to judge them.

[ritatherockfairy]

I don't usually buy into these threads but my observation is that the Government is trying to end lockdown regardless (I haven't actually heard the term "guided by the science" recently). People are pretty well free to use their common sense and do what they want. Shops will gradually open. Schools will take longer. Parents who want to keep their kids at home (and who can afford to do so), won't be penalised. People who want to go out and socialise won't be stopped - at least that's the observation in my area - unless they are being really anti-social. Holidays abroad may be harder as many EU countries will still see the UK as "high risk".

If you're under-40, white and middle class you will be fine.

[FlorenceinSummer]

if lockdown had been stricter and sooner then we could well have been in a better place now to open up, as it is we aren't and the decision is being made to open up on economic basis not health, which makes a lot of people feel very uncomfortable - regardless of age. Just because your risk of dying increases with age doesn't mean that contracting C-19 won't leave you with longterm health effects. With nearly 40,000 dying directly from the virus and god knows how many indirectly what we need is clear guidelines that people will actually follow that will allow us to have a long term normal. This should not be a total release of restrictions for obvious health reasons. The ability for the NHS to cope with cases is not the only reason we should lift lockdown. Leaving it up to people has clearly not worked (look at the pictures of people at beaches etc from the weekend)

[Kljnmw3459]

The lockdown is being eased. It's already happening. But while the virus is still there, even without lockdown we wouldn't be back to "normal". Not completely at least.

[Fr0thandBubble]

@MellowBird85 Hear hear.

[AlecTrevelyan006]

The guardian headline that ‘risk of infection could double if 2 -metre rule reduced’ is very negative and really doesn’t tell the whole story.

Bottom line appears to be at "short" distances (assumed to be < 1m), the risk of infection is 12.8%

At distances exceeding 1m, the risk falls to 2.6% and broadly halves with each further m of imposed distance. So 2m to 1m is a risk differential of 1.3%.

The risk of infection remains very small and the risk of suffering badly remains even smaller. For the overwhelming vast majority of the population Covid 19 is not a serious health risk.

Lockdown has served its purpose and now it’s time to move on.