To think the lockdown needs to end now?

[Fr0thandBubble]

I could understand a lockdown being imposed for a few weeks to make sure the NHS was up to capacity, but it’s gone well beyond that. The NHS now has lots of excess capacity and yet here we still are.

I am horrified by what has happened to our civil liberties, what it’s doing to our children’s education, what it’s doing to everyone’s livelihoods and mental health, what it’s doing to the economy, how people are not getting life-saving treatment for things like cancer, etc.

I don’t understand why people aren’t given the right to choose to self-isolate if they need to but for the rest of us to be allowed to get on with our lives and to take responsibility for ourselves.

I don’t understand why people who are not old and don’t have underlying health conditions are acting hysterically and why people have decided it’s OK to police other people’s behaviour and shout at them in the street.

I feel like I’m living in some kind of awful dystopian society.

I realise I’m in the minority here but does anyone agree with me?

[howlatthetrees]

I agree with you OP

[heidipi]

@peaceanddove have you said that to your elderly relatives and friends, people you know with health conditions that put them at risk, HCPs and care workers working without PPE? Did they all agree with you?

[sage46]

Totally agree with you OP. A bit worried about how many people who are seemingly young(ish) and healthy are reluctant to start living normally. I think the government made a good job in terrifying everyone at the start of lock down, fair enough we didn't know what was going to happen . Now it seems that the Oxford scientists can't find enough cases to trial.

[Gilead]

Ye gods, and you're the reason we had such a pathetic wishy washy policy and why we'll have a huge second wave. We are still coping with the highest death toll in Europe, but don't let that worry you.

[WalkTheLine99]

Anyone who doesn't want to go back to 'normal' has selfish reasons for it, imo

Interesting, in my opinion the opposite is true. When I read these threads all I envisage is someone stamping their foot and demanding that they stop being so inconvenienced.

[bettertimesarecomingnow]

I want out of lockdown too. There was one new case in my enormous region yesterday.

We can't go on like this. I agree with the pp who said 164 deaths out of 60m should be low enough for us to stop.

I want to see my partner! He lives in England and I'm in Scotland.

[MarginalGain]

I completely agree with you OP.

[Bollss]

@Gilead

Ye gods, and you're the reason we had such a pathetic wishy washy policy and why we'll have a huge second wave. We are still coping with the highest death toll in Europe, but don't let that worry you.

Didn't realise op was in charge?

How do you know we'll have a huge second wave? Where did you get your crystal ball from?

[peaceanddove]

[quote heidipi]@peaceanddove have you said that to your elderly relatives and friends, people you know with health conditions that put them at risk, HCPs and care workers working without PPE? Did they all agree with you?[/quote]
I am currently recovering from breast cancer and thanks to the radiotherapy my immune system isn't great right now, but I still stand behind every word I wrote.

[MarginalGain]

@sage46

Totally agree with you OP. A bit worried about how many people who are seemingly young(ish) and healthy are reluctant to start living normally. I think the government made a good job in terrifying everyone at the start of lock down, fair enough we didn't know what was going to happen . Now it seems that the Oxford scientists can't find enough cases to trial.

Yep.

[Bollss]

@WalkTheLine99

Anyone who doesn't want to go back to 'normal' has selfish reasons for it, imo

Interesting, in my opinion the opposite is true. When I read these threads all I envisage is someone stamping their foot and demanding that they stop being so inconvenienced.

Youve not got a very good imagination then.

Have you ever considered people are massively concerned about their jobs, homes, children?

Most people want out of lockdown for practical reasons you know like being able to pay their mortgage and feed their children

[attackedbycritters]

People should't be dictated to


So you are saying that everyone should be free to choose , and if you are low risk that seems sensible , whilst ignoring the fact that your choices will severely restrict the choices that others can make if they want to have the same risk level as you.

Like you take a huge slice of cake so there is none left for others ?

lockdown could get virus levels very low then everyone can have the same freedom for a very small risk, Gosh but you can't wait a few weeks to get there because you have no patience ?

And you can't see that having a divided society ( low risk, high risk) damages economy ?

Perhaps you expect all the high risk people to give up their jobs, so more jobs for the low risk people? Because with your freedom plan, they won't be able to go back to work any time soon. So not only do low risk people get freedom of movement they get all the jobs too. Cake with extra jam.

And by the way, some of the statements in your original post such as the nhs having plenty of spare capacity are incorrect. If we cancelled lockdown and everyone went back to normal that capacity would have about 6 weeks before it was overloaded .

You are relying on high risk groups giving upmtheir freedom for a long time if you want the NHS to stay protected.

But hey, you're ok NOW

[Cornishclio]

I agree with this providing everyone who did not isolate relinquishes their right to NHS treatment and accepted if they got the virus they are on their own. It is not fair to overload the staff in hospitals because people object to being told to stay at home wherever possible to protect the NHS. As you say the vulnerable could isolate anyway and those who wanted to carry on as normal could but the chances are many of the services you want may not be available as people working in them will be worried about catching it even if you aren't. Don't compare Sweden. It has been said many times on here that they are in a completely different situation, many there voluntarily locked down even if the government did not insist on it and now their death figure is much higher than neighbouring countries.

[Mittens030869]

It actually only affects a tiny minority of frail people.

I had Chronic Fatigue Syndrome before I developed the symptoms but I wasn't one of a 'tiny minority of frail people', thank you! But I'm still unwell after 3 months and it isn't going away.

The problem is that people only talk about those people who are dying! It isn't just about that, some people develop very distressing long-term symptoms. And even if they do only have minor symptoms, or are asymptomatic, they can pass it on to a 'frail person', who might not even look like a frail person.

[SissySpacekAteMyHamster]

Not really thinking I'm bring selfish iin not wanting my kids to lose their dad to this.

Surely there can be a happy medium where social distancing can still be maintained.

Oh and to the poster who thinks people like my husband can be collateral damage DFOD!

[peaceanddove]

Fit and healthy care workers and health care professionals have a vanishingly small risk of being dangerously affected by Covid, even if they wore no PPE.

[Bollss]

I agree with this providing everyone who did not isolate relinquishes their right to NHS treatment and accepted if they got the virus they are on their own

How the hell would that work when people actually have to go out to work? And to the supermarket?

Stupid.

[MarcelineMissouri]

I agree op.
The country will fall apart if this carries on. When I say it needs to end I’m not talking about everything, but we need the opportunity to try and get things running again with appropriate measures in place. So let’s carry on washing our hands, and keeping a little way away from each other (but I hope this is soon reduced to 1m or many entire industries will go under) but let’s have the ability to go to the cinema and go for meals and generally carry on with our lives and just be mindful about what we’re doing.

[Jayfee]

I think we need to get back to normal now. Our economy will have a hard struggle to get over this. And yes, the economy is important.

[cheesyrats]

Well if the disgraceful state the beach at Durdle Door has been left in over the last few days is anything to go by, perhaps we shouldn't have relaxed lockdown at all. The huge quantities of litter that have been left there and on other beaches is beyond belief.

What is this world coming to?

[helpfulperson]

What exactly do you mean? Should we reopen schools with no bubbles, sit next to each other at the cinema, go to concerts, eat out, etc. Because if we do that it will start to spread exactly as it did before. Or do you mean just loosen lock down a bit more.

[DomDoesWotHeWants]

Saying most children are safe at home and learning is frankly bullshit.

The children I know are, family and friends. All safe at home and learning.

I am aware that not all children are safe but if you are concerned about a child then you need to talk to social services. I was talking about most children, as I said.

I'm not sure what you think can be done. We all have to cope with how things are. Maybe SS should be doing more out in the community. No one has a magic wand.

I was talking about most children, as I said.

[Eckhart]

@Playdonut

You are right, but the doom mongers love living in fear so they will find your post very offensive

Have you not watched anybody die from it yet, then?

[attackedbycritters]

If you are massively concerned about jobs and children, then use your brain


Option 1. Free for all now. High levels of virus remain i society for up to 2 years, destroying confidence which leads to poor econ9mic performance, high levels of illness which disrupts business, children traumatised losing parents and grandparents, nhs collapse an ever present danger, fresh lockdowns to prevent this,

Option 2. A bit more patience , test and trace up and running and a new normal that is close to the old normal so we can start rebuilding the economy

It's like painting woodwork...get the preparation right and you get a much better end result than if you try to rush the job

[MarginalGain]

[quote heidipi]@peaceanddove have you said that to your elderly relatives and friends, people you know with health conditions that put them at risk, HCPs and care workers working without PPE? Did they all agree with you?[/quote]
People who are at risk for coronavirus deaths are generally at risk. It's not as though once they clear this hurdle they can revert to complete normalcy - that is, unless that have absolutely zero understanding of the risk the face in any given year.

Diabetics, for example, are at much higher risk for pneumonia in general so they should generally exercise caution even once a coronavirus vaccine is found (which is looking not so likely at the moment).